Regular City Council Meeting December 1, 2020

0:00:00How many days until christmas?

0:00:0723 or 24?

0:00:11Yes, of course.

0:00:16Hey, good to see you, man, lineman, we have

0:00:20all of the members on the Now.

0:00:22Excellent this is the regular meeting of the LS3.

0:00:25The city council is called to order at 7:00 or 8:00.

0:00:29Will the city clerk please call Mr

0:00:32Lyman present mayor patan fidele,

0:00:36their council member ableman.

0:00:40Council member pardieu okimoto.

0:00:44President council member quintel.

0:00:52Council member kintu, thank you.

0:00:55We have a quorum.

0:01:04That concludes item roll call will now

0:01:08move on to item 1 teleconference and public comment

0:01:11instructions.

0:01:15Thank you, mayor limón, both city council members and staff

0:01:18who are participating as panelists,

0:01:19please remember to keep your microphones muted whenever you

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0:01:50wish to provide oral testimony.

0:01:51Today, the mayor will announce the time

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0:01:55for each applicable item.

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0:02:00only a request to speak, can be submitted to city clerk

0:02:04at cIel dash Spirito that C a US.

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0:02:14to speak followed by the agenda item.

0:02:16No, provide a name and phone number that is used to call

0:02:19in for identification purposes.

0:02:21Written comments received by the posted deadline today have been

0:02:24provided to the city council and posted online

0:02:27with supplemental materials.

0:02:28Any written comments submitted after the deadline will

0:02:31be provided to the city council and included

0:02:33with supplemental materials.

0:02:35After the meeting, no written comments

0:02:37will be read into the record.

0:02:38We have them.

0:02:39And we're ready to move on to the next item.

0:02:45All right, that concludes item one will now

0:02:47move on to item two council staff, communications reports

0:02:51of closed session commission appointments

0:02:53and informal reports as well.

0:02:57Anything to report?

0:03:00Stuff yes, your honor, thank you very much.

0:03:03I'm Karen pinkest, the city manager.

0:03:05I just wanted to let everyone know that coming up, the city,

0:03:11as we know, because of covid, all of our city facilities

0:03:14have been closed to the public.

0:03:16All those services have been able to be

0:03:17continued by appointment only.

0:03:19We will be closing during the holidays, which

0:03:22is consistent with what you've done every year,

0:03:25although we won't be physically closing

0:03:27since we're already closed, we will be closed for business.

0:03:30That is going to begin on Thursday, December 24.

0:03:34We will stay closed throughout the entire next week,

0:03:38and we will reopen for business on January 4th.

0:03:43We do not anticipate that the buildings will be open.

0:03:46However, business will be conducted January 4th.

0:03:49So again, this Thursday, we will be

0:03:51closed for business Thursday, December, 2004

0:03:54and reopened January 4th.

0:03:562021 I just want to remind everyone,

0:03:59I think we've all seen the news with respect

0:04:01to our current local emergency, but covid-19

0:04:05that we are entering some dangerous territory.

0:04:08We have been pushed back to purple, which I

0:04:10announced at the last meeting.

0:04:13We should be prepared for further restrictions.

0:04:17The governor has indicated that.

0:04:18So I just want to one more time, remind everybody, please,

0:04:22askap, social distance, be safe, be healthy, take care

0:04:26of yourselves and each other.

0:04:28Thank you.

0:04:30You Stole some of my announcements,

0:04:32but I will report out from our special meeting of November 19.

0:04:37The council met and we formed a subcommittee

0:04:41and gave instructions to our labor negotiators

0:04:44with regards to negotiating contracts

0:04:46with the city manager.

0:04:49And I too want to remind everyone to wear their masks

0:04:54and practice social distancing.

0:04:56And I would like to go on and remind people we've now

0:04:59had over a week since our last precipitation event

0:05:04and more than a week until our next precipitation event.

0:05:07Now is not to lose sight of our vigilance around fire safety.

0:05:11We do have an item on tonight with regards to fire safety.

0:05:15And I can only please ask people to pick up

0:05:18dead leaves and other debris around their property

0:05:21to eliminate the prospect of wind

0:05:24blown litter that becomes embers and fly into our neighborhoods.

0:05:32We do expect a diabolo wind event later this week.

0:05:36It won't be significant.

0:05:38I heard it was only going to be 20 mile an hour winds,

0:05:40but the winds will be blowing from the wrong direction

0:05:43or from inland outward.

0:05:46So that is a great opportunity for us to remember that.

0:05:50We need to take our part to clean

0:05:51up our neighborhood and our community of fire debris.

0:05:56So I just want to remind people of that.

0:05:59That concludes my comments.

0:06:01I don't know if anybody else has comments like Janet, go ahead.

0:06:05Yeah, I can't figure out for sure.

0:06:06I can't figure out how to raise my hands,

0:06:09but I just raised it that hopefully that will work.

0:06:12Yes, I. I attended the urban forest committee.

0:06:19And there was conversation that they wanted

0:06:23me to bring forward to hear.

0:06:25And the conversation had to do with the fact that they had.

0:06:33So few members and yet their members were terming out.

0:06:37So it was reducing it.

0:06:38And reducing it.

0:06:39But there's another issue involved there.

0:06:42That's very special with that particular commission, maybe

0:06:46some others, too, but this one in particular,

0:06:49that they have a lot of qualifications.

0:06:52It so happens, you know, things like PHD'S

0:06:55in forestry and things that are hard to duplicate.

0:07:01And so they were wondering if.

0:07:05You know, they could not turn out after two after two terms

0:07:10and continue on according to something

0:07:15that would ensure that the committee can continue.

0:07:19And so I'm just bringing that to your attention.

0:07:22Thank you.

0:07:23Great, thank you very much.

0:07:25I certainly would support that, having been on the street

0:07:28and liaison to the trade committee, it.

0:07:30It is a very highly specialized group,

0:07:33although those that don't have PhDs in biology or arborists

0:07:40or are always welcome, it certainly

0:07:44would be nice to continue that representation.

0:07:47So we have that technical resource.

0:07:50So I would certainly support.

0:07:56Looking at that sometime in the future,

0:07:58anyway, perhaps agenda item, yes, we probably could,

0:08:03I think I put it down for the city manager

0:08:06and I to talk about for next time.

0:08:09That'd be great.

0:08:09OK, thank you.

0:08:12Any other or any other reports at this time?

0:08:19I can wait later right at the last part of the Council

0:08:23meeting to get my announcement.

0:08:25Thank you.

0:08:26Great, thank you.

0:08:28Seeing none will.

0:08:30That concludes item two council staff communications.

0:08:34We will go on to item three communications

0:08:36from the public remarks, a typically limited to three

0:08:39minutes per person.

0:08:40The mayor may reduce the time limit per speaker,

0:08:43depending on the number of speakers,

0:08:45and may limit the total time for public comment

0:08:47to facilitate the completion of business.

0:08:48The agenda comments regarding knowledge

0:08:50and a presentation and consent calendar items will be heard.

0:08:54First, comments related to items appearing on the public hearing

0:08:58or policy matters.

0:08:59Portion of the agenda will be heard prior to the council

0:09:02taking action on each item.

0:09:05And we have two presentations tonight.

0:09:08If if you are going to speak on behalf of either five or five B

0:09:13stupidity or Robert De La campa, we can take

0:09:17those comments at that time.

0:09:19So at this time, I'm looking for public speakers

0:09:21on consent items and not agenda items.

0:09:26And so go ahead, mayor.

0:09:29Why we're waiting and giving the public an opportunity

0:09:32to raise their hand.

0:09:33I would just like to share that.

0:09:34We did receive several comments by the 4:00 PM deadline today,

0:09:38which were posted online and provided to the council members

0:09:41directly in advance of the meeting.

0:09:43This includes public comments regarding

0:09:45items not on the agenda from Cordell Handler.

0:09:48I would share.

0:09:48Now Cathy handbill, Robin Mitchell,

0:09:51Amy kirks, Alan leam, Amy and Greg Hart and Ruby McDonald,

0:09:56as well as comments regarding the presentation items

0:10:01for Lieutenant Bonini and Captain de La Campath

0:10:04from down on the Hunnam again.

0:10:06And we do have a few hands.

0:10:09So if you can confirm the 3 minute time limit,

0:10:12you can proceed with this, because I'm

0:10:15going to offer you three minutes for the two current speakers.

0:10:20If we have significant additional speakers,

0:10:23I will reserve the right to adjust the time.

0:10:26Thank you, mayor cloak.

0:10:28You are unmute and can begin your time now.

0:10:30Yeah, Hi.

0:10:32Thank you for the opportunity to address the council.

0:10:35My name is Dan cloke.

0:10:36I live at [address removed] here in El Cerino.

0:10:41My house is close enough to the Paso part station

0:10:45that I can hear the announcements

0:10:47from the platform.

0:10:50I've been talking with some of my neighbors

0:10:51about the planned project to transform six acres of park

0:10:58and watch it through Del plata into houses.

0:11:03Many of them are very excited to have

0:11:04this come to our community.

0:11:06And I just wanted to take the opportunity

0:11:08to thank the council and thank staff for bringing

0:11:13the project to this point.

0:11:16And speaking as someone who lives.

0:11:18So close to the plaza, I'm pretty much looking forward

0:11:21to seeing what is really, frankly, kind of a wasteland

0:11:26during the week, weekends and a big traffic generator

0:11:29during the week and seeing that transformed into housing

0:11:34for hundreds of families.

0:11:37And I thank you again, and look forward

0:11:40to participating in the process as the design is developed.

0:11:45Thank you.

0:11:48Great, thank you very much.

0:11:49Next speaker, please, Andy and Andy,

0:11:54you are admitted and can begin your time now.

0:12:03In the area there.

0:12:09Air, you can hear you now having taken your time.

0:12:14All right, excellent, thank you.

0:12:16First of all, I'm a kind of a new resident here in Florida,

0:12:21so it's a wonderful meeting, my new representatives.

0:12:25Thank you guys for cultivating such a great city.

0:12:28I'm really grateful that my partner

0:12:29and I moved here recently.

0:12:31She's the nurse.

0:12:32I'm an educator and an entrepreneur.

0:12:34So it's nice to be in a space like this where

0:12:36we feel safe during a pandemic.

0:12:39So thank you first.

0:12:40The second thing I wanted to bring up really

0:12:42quickly was, I mean, I'm really excited to join

0:12:45these conversations and be a young voice in this project

0:12:53that we call the city.

0:12:55And in that space, I kind of want to just put this out there

0:12:58like I know it's a tough time for representatives,

0:13:01for first responders, for everybody trying to make

0:13:03the city better and safer.

0:13:04I would love to volunteer and I'm

0:13:07curious about exploring like some sort of mental health

0:13:09committee or something where we also

0:13:12help introduce, like volunteer like meditation's

0:13:15volunteer food empowerment.

0:13:18So people can be healthier during the holidays,

0:13:20like knowledge about what things will boost immune system, what

0:13:24things will actually bring down the immune system, stuff

0:13:26like that.

0:13:27Let's just put that out there.

0:13:28I think it would be great to create something to support

0:13:31our local community with that, but also, it

0:13:33might pass down to the kids and help out the seniors

0:13:36that are in the community.

0:13:38So I'm just throwing that out there.

0:13:39I'd love to just put my self out there, have a lot of experience

0:13:42and went to medical school, studied ayurveda

0:13:45and yoga and meditation.

0:13:46So I have a lot of experience.

0:13:47My partner is a nurse.

0:13:48We do a lot of stuff with nurses and nurses.

0:13:51So it's fun to throw that out there, especially for the older

0:13:53folks, the younger folks supporting them

0:13:55with mental health issues that are

0:13:56all coming kind of bubbling up.

0:13:58And we're kind of we're not going

0:13:59to be able to see what those things are

0:14:01for like the next nine years.

0:14:02So it'd be really great to be proactive in both

0:14:04of those spaces.

0:14:06So, yeah, just throwing that out there.

0:14:07Thank you guys again.

0:14:08Hey, by the way, I'll throw this out there

0:14:09for you guys, too, if any.

0:14:11You guys want to practice meditation

0:14:12or you're stressed out and you're

0:14:13overwhelmed with all the stuff that's going on in the city.

0:14:16Hey, I'd love to connect with you guys.

0:14:18You guys are connected on LinkedIn endi saying

0:14:21or we can chat afterwards or connect again.

0:14:23Hopefully we'll see each other throughout the city soon.

0:14:26I hope.

0:14:29Thank you very much for your comments.

0:14:31Welcome to El cerrito.

0:14:34The next speaker is Linda Kane.

0:14:36Linda, you're unhappy.

0:14:36Do you think in your time.

0:14:38Now I'm already unmute.

0:14:40You are.

0:14:41Thank you.

0:14:41Thank you for that.

0:14:42They speak.

0:14:43And I just want to thank the city council, the mayor

0:14:47and the mayor pro tem.

0:14:48I'm a senior, and ossorio citizen,

0:14:51and I've had trouble kind of getting

0:14:54on board with our electronic process here.

0:14:57But I'm here to say that I'm still concerned

0:15:01about the budget of El cerrito and the consequences

0:15:04of being a bankrupt city and how do

0:15:07we not become a bankrupt city.

0:15:09And then I, I want to say that better what we do,

0:15:14save the library and save the senior services,

0:15:17because the Sr. Services and the library

0:15:19mean to the people of the city, they're

0:15:22so valuable they promote health, mental health

0:15:26and community that we can all get together again.

0:15:29It will be such a treasure to have those things together.

0:15:31So I don't know where the money goes, you know,

0:15:35and you guys can do what you need to do,

0:15:37but at least make sure that you keep

0:15:40those services for the people.

0:15:42And thank you very much.

0:15:43And I hope you have a very successful meeting.

0:15:47I'll tell you.

0:15:48Thank you.

0:15:50Great, thank you.

0:15:52Here, that does conclude that we have at this time,

0:15:56sure, I'd like to take a minute to at least alert

0:15:59the public to two items that were

0:16:01raised through various public comments.

0:16:03One is the park and parking the park,

0:16:07the park Plaza development that was approved by Bart

0:16:13and will be the subject of many public hearings in 2021.

0:16:17So I do expect that to be something that many of you

0:16:23will comment on.

0:16:24So thank you for those public comments.

0:16:26The second is financial matters.

0:16:30When I took office as mayor a year ago,

0:16:33I promised that there would be a financial item on the agenda

0:16:36every night.

0:16:38And I've been able to do that pretty much.

0:16:41But I will say that the recreation, the consideration

0:16:46of recreation programs will be on the December 15 special

0:16:51meeting, which starts at 5:30.

0:16:54So I know the announcement has not gone out yet.

0:16:57And it may it's subject to change,

0:16:59but we will certainly be discussing

0:17:02the finances of the city at the next meeting at 5:30

0:17:08on December 15.

0:17:10That will include the November cash-flow report, as well as

0:17:16the parks and recreation potential programs

0:17:20that may be there under consideration for a reduction.

0:17:25So that that's to answer some of those comments that we got with

0:17:29regards to budget items.

0:17:33There is technically a budget item on tonight as item seven

0:17:37of a seven b, so that concludes item three

0:17:45communications from the public.

0:17:48So we will now move on to item for adoption

0:17:50of the consent calendar.

0:17:52I would like to pull item four D for just a quick comment

0:17:58and potentially a small edit to item

0:18:00for d, so for a is approval of minutes

0:18:04from October 6 and October.

0:18:06There's three sets of minutes there.

0:18:09Item four B is approval of the 2021 regular meetings schedule.

0:18:13A total of 20 meetings has been in a calendar

0:18:17for 2021 an item for C United against hate

0:18:22week proclamation and that is for the week of November.

0:18:2729th starting yesterday through December 6th.

0:18:30So I'm looking for a motion for items for a three.

0:18:33Foresee the second move by Purdue

0:18:36Okamoto seconded by abels and can we have

0:18:38a roll call vote near limón.

0:18:42Yes, mayor pro tem fidele, yes, council member

0:18:46avildsen, yes, I do, yes.

0:18:51Council member kento.

0:18:52Yes, I think it's great.

0:18:56I pulled item four D because there

0:18:58are many references to the public resources code PRC.

0:19:0380,000 I think it was.

0:19:05And PRC has never actually explained in either the agenda

0:19:10bill or in the resolution.

0:19:12So I'd love to have it modified to include

0:19:17at least the first reference to public resources

0:19:21code that be spelled out in the California Code.

0:19:25With that amendment, I would look for a motion

0:19:28to approve item for D. Some of.

0:19:35Second, do we have a motion to approve

0:19:40item 40 with the Amendment that the California

0:19:42Public resources could be spelled

0:19:43out in its first occurrence?

0:19:46Can we have a roll call?

0:19:46Police may.

0:19:49Yes, fidele.

0:19:52Yes or no?

0:19:55And some member.

0:19:56Pardieu, akimoto.

0:19:57Yes or no.

0:19:58Thank you, Carrie.

0:20:02We thank you.

0:20:03Well, that concludes item for or consent calendar

0:20:07will now move on to item 5.

0:20:08We have two presentations tonight.

0:20:11They are items five, a proclamation

0:20:13upon the retirement of Lieutenant Steven Bonini.

0:20:15And item five, the proclamation upon retirement

0:20:17of Captain Robert De La campa.

0:20:19I will say that on our first meeting of December,

0:20:25we usually have a ceremonial meeting.

0:20:30So it's kind of nice to have a little bit of tradition

0:20:33tonight.

0:20:33So we can honor these two gentlemen in their retirement.

0:20:37So with that, I am assuming I can't I can't

0:20:41see you, Paul, because my like.

0:20:43There you are.

0:20:44I am here, mayor.

0:20:45Excellent if you would take it away, that'd be great.

0:20:48Well, thank you, mayor and council members,

0:20:50for the opportunity to talk in front of you tonight.

0:20:52It's kind of a bittersweet moment for me

0:20:54personally, because on the one hand,

0:20:57I'm very excited that these two gentlemen

0:20:59are moving into retirement and everything that means.

0:21:02But on the other hand, is really sad

0:21:04to see them go because they've been incredible partners

0:21:07and coworkers over the years.

0:21:10So our little city is routinely in the top five highest

0:21:13crime cities in the county.

0:21:15And it may not feel that way to people that

0:21:18live in eldorado, people like me and people, they shop here

0:21:20and use our parks.

0:21:22But that is the reality.

0:21:23And these two gentlemen have definitely seen

0:21:25their share of serious crimes.

0:21:27They've investigated homicides, serious car wrecks

0:21:30and significant assaults.

0:21:32They have been there and done it combined.

0:21:35They have 56 years of law enforcement experience.

0:21:38And I can tell you they've got some really amazing stories.

0:21:41If you can put them down at a coffee shop or perhaps

0:21:43in a different type of establishment

0:21:46in the evening to talk to you about it.

0:21:48So I thought tonight I'd start off by talking about Steve

0:21:51banani, hopefully give him an opportunity

0:21:53to say a few words to council and to the city of Reno

0:21:56and then move on to Robert De La campa

0:21:59after we've completed the site.

0:22:01So stephenie grew up in West Contra Costa County

0:22:04and started as a police officer in El

0:22:05Salvador in December of 1997.

0:22:07Early in his career, he stand at officer, a winner of the man

0:22:12award, the Mothers Against Drunk driving

0:22:13award for DUI enforcement.

0:22:15In 2002.

0:22:16He was officer of the year and was in 2001

0:22:19became a detective in 2002.

0:22:22Over his first six years, he was awarded

0:22:25with 10 stolen car awards from the California Highway Patrol.

0:22:29So to achieve one of these awards,

0:22:32you have to make a combination of arrests and recoveries

0:22:35of stolen vehicles.

0:22:37Most officers might get two or three of these in a career

0:22:41Steve got 10 of them.

0:22:42That means that he had to recover

0:22:44at least 90 vehicles, arresting at least

0:22:4830 people in stolen cars.

0:22:51So every time you achieve five awards,

0:22:53that was you with a master award because they

0:22:55decided that this person really is a master

0:22:57recovering stolen vehicles.

0:22:59So Steve was awarded the master or 2 times

0:23:02by the California Highway Patrol.

0:23:05He really was a crime fighting Dynamo

0:23:07when he was out on the street.

0:23:09And when I first started as an officer in 2000,

0:23:11I really looked up to Steve as a role model

0:23:13because he seemed to know it all.

0:23:16He could get stolen cars, he could get drunk drivers,

0:23:19he could arrest people for dealing drugs.

0:23:22It seemed that every night when he left the station,

0:23:24someone was coming back in handcuffs because he just found

0:23:27somebody committing a crime.

0:23:30He had amazing SuiteKnowledge of where people would go,

0:23:34where people would go with their stolen cars,

0:23:36where people would go to deal drugs.

0:23:38He knew it all.

0:23:39And people in the agency recognize that in 2003, he

0:23:43was promoted to corporal and train new officers at ossorio

0:23:46for two years before being promoted

0:23:48to Sergeant in 2005 now 2000.

0:23:51After becoming a Sergeant, he was assigned to the traffic

0:23:53unit for four years.

0:23:55So he was the Sergeant in charge of our traffic officers.

0:23:58During that time, he took it upon himself

0:24:00to enter the police department in the California

0:24:03law enforcement challenge.

0:24:04So that is a statewide program where Officer departments

0:24:08with traffic units compete with each other for who has the best

0:24:12traffic enforcement unit.

0:24:14And that focuses on the three E's of traffic safety,

0:24:17education, enforcement and engineering.

0:24:20So each year, Steve would submit reports on our traffic

0:24:23enforcement efforts.

0:24:24And we won quite a few awards for Steve's efforts

0:24:27and traffic enforcement.

0:24:28He organized tens of checkpoints, not hundreds,

0:24:32but tens of checkpoints, but he wrote thousands of tickets

0:24:35in the traffic.

0:24:37In 2009 he was promoted to Lieutenant four.

0:24:40He was immediately assigned to the patrol division,

0:24:42which is our largest division.

0:24:44He spent his time mentoring new supervisors

0:24:47and helping direct the functions of all of our patrol teams.

0:24:51After that, he was assigned to administration, where

0:24:54he was responsible for hiring and training

0:24:57new officers in our agency.

0:24:59And there are a lot of people here

0:25:00who owe their hiring to Steve vanina advocating for them

0:25:05in the chief's office during his time as a lieutenant,

0:25:09he also became heavily involved with the Special Olympics

0:25:12of northern California.

0:25:13So he and another officer devised

0:25:16a fundraising event for Special Olympics

0:25:19called bike the bridges.

0:25:21So for those in Australia who are not familiar with the Bike

0:25:23the bridges event, Steve came up with this concept

0:25:28where bicyclists would start a waterfront park and Martinis.

0:25:31They would bike along the shoreline of the karkinos,

0:25:33straight across the karkinos bridge bike through Vallejo

0:25:36and end up in Asia and then come back across the bridge

0:25:39and then end up with a big celebratory

0:25:41event at the Martinez waterfront park.

0:25:44And I remember the first year, I think maybe we

0:25:46had about 150 bicyclists total.

0:25:49Everybody would raise money from friends and family

0:25:51to participate in the event.

0:25:52And the first year, right up 150 riders.

0:25:55That was a big success.

0:25:56But over the years, they've been running that event.

0:25:59They have raised over a million for Special Olympics.

0:26:03So really phenomenal work.

0:26:04Spearheaded by Steve banani in 2015

0:26:08he was recognized by Special Olympics

0:26:10to on the final leg of the international Olympics

0:26:13that were taking place in Los Angeles that year.

0:26:16So for two weeks, Steve and select law enforcement officers

0:26:20from the state ran the Special Olympics torch and just

0:26:23about every single county of California

0:26:26until they ended it in Los Angeles.

0:26:28So it was a mentally and physically demanding way.

0:26:32And Steve represented our agency at the highest level.

0:26:35He was awarded the Distinguished Service

0:26:37Award for all of his work with Special Olympics in 2015.

0:26:41So Steve could be counted on to make the big things,

0:26:43the success, things like the centennial parade

0:26:46where he led the Department planning

0:26:47and making sure that that event was a success

0:26:51and doing things that also called on his previous career

0:26:55in the construction industry by successfully remodeling

0:26:59our department to the extent that we could

0:27:01to modernize the office spaces.

0:27:03So that we could more effectively operate our police

0:27:05department Steve also loved all of the small things

0:27:09that we do with the police department,

0:27:11like participating in softball tournaments

0:27:13and celebrating employees achievements,

0:27:16whether that was that an afterward barbecue

0:27:18or at an official function.

0:27:21She was the training in quite a few things.

0:27:24He's a trainer and fair and impartial policing, a wrestling

0:27:27control instructor, principle policing instructor, and also

0:27:30a bicycle patrol instructor.

0:27:32So he's definitely going to be missed

0:27:33here because it's a lot of knowledge walking out the door.

0:27:36Education was always a priority for Steve,

0:27:38and while he was a police officer,

0:27:40he took it upon himself to earn his bachelor's degree

0:27:43from Union Institute and his master's degree

0:27:45from the University of Oklahoma.

0:27:47And not only that, but he was a constant advocate of higher

0:27:50education to our officers.

0:27:52And there were a lot of officers that followed in his footsteps

0:27:55because of the constant feedback he gave them on

0:27:57get improve yourself and improve your education

0:28:00and/or change your career.

0:28:02She was also a graduate of the supervisory leadership

0:28:05institute, which is a California program for police sergeants,

0:28:10the LAPD leadership program and the FBI national academy,

0:28:14which is an 11 week program in quantico, Virginia.

0:28:18One of the things that I'll always remember about Steve,

0:28:20is that whenever we had to call him because we had

0:28:23a significant event in town, whether it was Somebody

0:28:27was the victim of a shooting or we had a homicide,

0:28:30Steve's response was always the exact same when

0:28:32you talked to him on the phone.

0:28:34I'm on my way.

0:28:35It didn't matter what time of night

0:28:37Steve was always on his way.

0:28:39He was always on his way.

0:28:40Steve, I'm really going to miss all of the good times

0:28:43we were together.

0:28:44I'm going to miss the coffee breaks.

0:28:46So I'm going to miss the staff meetings.

0:28:47I'm going to miss being out in the COVID

0:28:49you while it's drizzling and raining

0:28:52and we're at a crime scene together.

0:28:55You are incredible police, lieutenant,

0:28:57and I wish you all the luck in your retirement.

0:29:00I hope is everything is supposed to be.

0:29:05And with that, I think Steve is on the line,

0:29:07so hopefully he has an opportunity

0:29:08to say some comments.

0:29:11I am and thank you, Paul.

0:29:13Thank you, chief.

0:29:13I appreciate the kind words, you know,

0:29:16as I think about when I started.

0:29:20And now when I will finally retire here in December,

0:29:24it brings to a close a decades of service

0:29:30here from the bedini family to the city of freedom.

0:29:34Many of that my parents were, but my grandparents fled.

0:29:37Italy and Mussolini come here to El cerrito, Paris, born

0:29:42and raised here in El cerrito.

0:29:44They met, attended high school together

0:29:46and met after high school.

0:29:48And then obviously here I am.

0:29:50But the important thing for me is each time

0:29:52I put the uniform on and have word that the city of ossorio,

0:29:55I police the way I thought, my grandparents, my parents,

0:29:59police, that was tough, fair.

0:30:03And I was always looking out for the residents and in the city.

0:30:06So while everybody was asleep and we were rolling

0:30:09around on brager, it was our job to prevent

0:30:11crime as best we could.

0:30:13It was our it was our job to make a difference in the lives

0:30:16of the citizens of our community and to let the criminals

0:30:19know that it was not a place where

0:30:20they were going to be welcome.

0:30:22So after beginning in the 1930s and now wrapping up here

0:30:27in 2020 that ends a family life of service

0:30:32to the residents of El cerrito and to the community

0:30:34as a whole.

0:30:35So thank you.

0:30:36I'm very pleased with the career that I

0:30:38had and pleased that the men and women that I work with,

0:30:41I'm very honored to have work for the city of st. cerrito.

0:30:46The area itself was very desirable,

0:30:49was one of only two locations where I applied,

0:30:51and it was a location where I accepted employment.

0:30:54And that had a lot to do with my family,

0:30:57and the community of al-Qaeda that I knew growing up.

0:31:04Steve, thank you very much for your 23 years of service

0:31:08to Alfredo.

0:31:09I have some comments, but I'm going to go to Janet first.

0:31:13OK, well, Steve, I. I'm having a hard time

0:31:18thinking that you're leaving, actually,

0:31:21because I can remember.

0:31:23A lot of the things that to the events that you did,

0:31:28the real difference that you've made in the lives of those

0:31:33of us who live in El cerrito and I

0:31:37didn't ever know that you were did you go to Australia high?

0:31:41I did not.

0:31:42I went to call my parents.

0:31:43Why did you lie?

0:31:44Oh, OK.

0:31:46Close enough.

0:31:48I didn't go to El Salvador either, but my kids did.

0:31:51But anyway, you've done some really great things

0:31:55and the kinds of things that really make a difference

0:32:00in the kind of place that we are, like,

0:32:03I can remember the big event.

0:32:10And even though I don't ride a bike,

0:32:13I had a great time at that event.

0:32:16And I remember just tells you how very special.

0:32:19It was.

0:32:20I think there were even horses there, weren't there?

0:32:23There were.

0:32:24There were.

0:32:26But you've just you've made you've made a difference.

0:32:32I don't know how to say it any other way.

0:32:34And I want to thank you for making

0:32:36a difference in our lives.

0:32:38Thank you.

0:32:40Thank you.

0:32:42Gabe Steve, I want to thank you for all your work,

0:32:50your career here in the city of El Reno,

0:32:53your hometown person, just like myself and with council member

0:32:57fideles.

0:32:58So you are appreciated.

0:33:00I do remember when Janet and I were on San Pablo Avenue

0:33:06watching the runners across Albany to the city of El Reno

0:33:12and back.

0:33:13And I think that was 2015 and looking at all the things

0:33:18that we were able to participate together

0:33:20with the council, including the use of national night out

0:33:24and appreciate the times that you drove me.

0:33:29And the other council members through the years

0:33:31and meeting many of the same people that ended up,

0:33:37you know, in them.

0:33:38And I know that.

0:33:39And it's a small town in a small area.

0:33:43Everybody knows everyone.

0:33:44So, no, on behalf of all cerrito and especially the North side,

0:33:50we appreciate your service, especially with the training,

0:33:54the bicycle cops and you get a lot of work there.

0:33:59And you stopped what was going on back

0:34:02in the day when Richmond and San Pablo were

0:34:04the top shops of West county.

0:34:07And it's glad to see that all that has changed.

0:34:12And so do you have seen it all.

0:34:16So I just want to say again, thank you.

0:34:18And I look forward to hearing about your new chapter in life.

0:34:23Coming up.

0:34:24All the best to you.

0:34:26Thank you.

0:34:28We'll go to Paul and then Steve, much.

0:34:31Congratulations on your 23 years,

0:34:35especially for your community service.

0:34:36Special Olympics are very special, so thank you for that.

0:34:41You talk about working with a lot of us were sleeping,

0:34:45so we didn't see a lot of the stuff you did,

0:34:47but we're very pleased that you were out there doing it.

0:34:49One place I know where I would find you as a fellow person

0:34:53was at the bar serving the bar, either the crab field

0:34:57or the appreciation dinners.

0:34:59And I had the best time with you and your wife

0:35:01sitting there enjoying that.

0:35:03So you always say, you're on your way or on your way out.

0:35:07Best of luck to you.

0:35:09Thank you.

0:35:13Thank you for all of your years of work.

0:35:17I know that being a police officer of like being a nurse,

0:35:22you see a lot.

0:35:23You see a lot of things that people can't even imagine.

0:35:26So just for Stephen, for me, just even the thought of being

0:35:31on the scene at a murder is just something I don't really

0:35:35want to picture in my mind.

0:35:37So thank you for that, that you carry a lot of weight

0:35:41with you for those experiences.

0:35:45But we are grateful for your service in doing that.

0:35:49And all of the times that we've spent together

0:35:52appreciated your kindness.

0:35:54And I really hope that you will find some peace and some rest

0:35:59and enjoy your entire retirement to the best of your ability.

0:36:05I know you'll be stuck inside for a little while,

0:36:08but hopefully you'll be out there on a bicycle or something

0:36:12pretty soon.

0:36:13And also, I'm very amazed by what

0:36:18you've been able to accomplish with your bikes to bridges.

0:36:22That's absolutely inspiring.

0:36:24And thank you so much for that.

0:36:27And I just really hope that you enjoy your retirement

0:36:31and continue to do public service in any way you see fit.

0:36:36Thank you.

0:36:38Thank you.

0:36:38And before I go, I just want to take one moment

0:36:41and, you know, part of being a police officer

0:36:43is there's a lot that the family has to deal with.

0:36:46So my wife and kids were very, very understanding when

0:36:50the phone rang, I was leaving.

0:36:52So they totally understood and allowed me the ability

0:36:57to go out and do that.

0:36:58So I wanted to thank my family as well.

0:37:00And thank the Radio City council councils over the years,

0:37:04the different city managers.

0:37:06And it was a pleasure to work there.

0:37:09As Steve, you told, everybody Stole my words, the penalty

0:37:13of going last, I want to thank you for your service

0:37:17and I, too, like Paul, recall our candid conversations

0:37:21at the staff appreciation meetings.

0:37:24And I really appreciate you giving me

0:37:27some advice at those meetings and certainly enjoyed the time

0:37:30with your wife and I. And please.

0:37:33Thank her for allowing your service to us,

0:37:36because, as you say, it does take a family to support

0:37:40your ability to serve with us.

0:37:41And and I wish the best upon you and your wife

0:37:44for your retirement.

0:37:46And you leave a big hole with around some

0:37:50of the programs you started, including

0:37:53the bike, the bridges program.

0:37:55So thank you.

0:37:56And please, please have a great safe retirement.

0:38:01And and we normally we would get together and shake hands

0:38:05and take a picture right now.

0:38:07But all I can say is I can't.

0:38:09And I know if Alex is going to take it or not,

0:38:11but this is the closest picture you're

0:38:13going to get is the checkerboard of us

0:38:17saying thank you very much.

0:38:20So thank you.

0:38:24That concludes item 5 a which may or may,

0:38:29I do need a motion to approve and just as a brief reminder,

0:38:33you did offer public comments to be held for this item

0:38:36until we heard the item.

0:38:38Correct so let's take public comment at this time.

0:38:42And then we'll take up a motion to approve the proclamation.

0:38:47I'll find it and read the relevant portions.

0:38:51Are there any public speakers on this item?

0:38:53Please raise your hand at this time.

0:38:59I know there was a list of supplemental materials,

0:39:03public comment.

0:39:04So, Steve, you are greatly appreciated.

0:39:07And if there's anybody at your house

0:39:09that wants to speak with that, she's more than welcome.

0:39:15All right.

0:39:17And I think they have great.

0:39:20I will pull up the proclamation.

0:39:21And read the relevant parts wherever it is, Steve Bonini.

0:39:26So this is the cerrito city council proclamation,

0:39:28commending and congratulating you, Lieutenant Steven bonini,

0:39:32on your retirement from the police department.

0:39:36Now, therefore, the city council of the city of El cerrito

0:39:39does hereby commend Lieutenant Steven Bonini on the occasion

0:39:42of his honorable retirement.

0:39:43The city council extends sincere appreciation

0:39:46to Lieutenant Steve Anthony for his 23 years of service

0:39:50to the community and contributions

0:39:52to the success of the police department.

0:39:55Can I get a motion to approve the proclamation?

0:39:59I move that we approve the proclamation.

0:40:03I'll second that great motion by abels and seconded by petcoke,

0:40:06can we have a roll call, please?

0:40:09Yes mayor pro tem fidele.

0:40:11Yes, council member abels.

0:40:14Hi council member akimoto.

0:40:16Yes and remember kienzle.

0:40:19Yes, I think carries excellent congratulations.

0:40:28All right.

0:40:29That concludes item 5.

0:40:31A proclamation upon retirement of Lieutenant Steve Bonini

0:40:34will then move on to item five, proclamation

0:40:37upon the retirement of Captain Robert De La campa.

0:40:41Thank you, mayor and council, as Paul Keith,

0:40:42your chief of police again.

0:40:44So captain de La campus started his law

0:40:46enforcement career in 1987 as the police

0:40:50Explorer for the city of pinole.

0:40:53I think I was still in junior high back then.

0:40:56So I'm just saying that it's a long time ago.

0:41:00In his early career, he served as an officer on the panel

0:41:03and Burlingame police departments

0:41:04before coming to Australia in 1998.

0:41:07Now, I'm not here to talk to you about his stories

0:41:09from burlingame's experiences and pinole.

0:41:11You'll have to corner him to get those out of him.

0:41:14But I am here to talk about what he did.

0:41:15And so in 2000 he was assigned the detective

0:41:20unit in recognition of his years of experience

0:41:22as a police officer.

0:41:23He was assigned to property crimes and homicides

0:41:25for two years.

0:41:27In 2002 it was a warrant as the officer of the year

0:41:31for his work in homicide investigation

0:41:33as well as his work and expanding

0:41:35the National night out program.

0:41:36And also, Rita.

0:41:38In 2002, he was also promoted to the rank of Sergeant.

0:41:42And working on patrol for a couple of years where he was

0:41:45also awarded a stolen vehicle award in 2004, which I'll save

0:41:48for a Sergeant, is pretty impressive

0:41:50because for an officer, you're out there

0:41:53mixing it up at a Sergeant.

0:41:54You have to supervise the team.

0:41:55So to get one of those as a Sergeant,

0:41:57you really got to be out on the street with your officers.

0:42:01But Rob really found his niche in the administrative division

0:42:04when he came into the administrative division.

0:42:07We had a training program, but I'll tell you

0:42:10and nothing against our previous guys,

0:42:12it was kind of bare minimums.

0:42:14When Rob went in there, he realized

0:42:16that if we got state certification

0:42:18for our existing training program,

0:42:20we could easily meet the state requirement for 24 hours

0:42:24of continuous training every two years for each of our officers.

0:42:28So Rob went about systematically attaining state certification

0:42:32for just about all of our physical manipulation

0:42:36skills courses.

0:42:37So that's driving courses, shooting courses

0:42:40and arrest and control courses.

0:42:42It was a mammoth undertaking, but by the end

0:42:45of his time as the administrative Sergeant,

0:42:47we had an array of about 20 classes

0:42:49that had post certification that we

0:42:51could put on and have our officers

0:42:54get credit at the state level.

0:42:55It's a really big deal in the administrative world,

0:42:59not necessarily out on the street thing,

0:43:00but it's a behind the scenes thing that really makes

0:43:03the police department work.

0:43:05In 2009, Rob was promoted to lieutenant, where you continue

0:43:08to improve training and also work to get our community

0:43:12police Academy off the ground.

0:43:14So working with another officer at the department,

0:43:16he devised a concept for a community police Academy

0:43:21that would also lead into a police volunteer program.

0:43:25So the idea was that we would hold a seven week

0:43:28long community police Academy where people would

0:43:30come and learn about all the aspects

0:43:32of their police department.

0:43:34So members of our community would

0:43:35learn about what patrol officers do, what canines do, what

0:43:39our detectives do, how we collect evidence,

0:43:41how we patrol the city, how we integrate with the district

0:43:45attorney's office.

0:43:46They would learn a wide variety of things

0:43:48about the police department.

0:43:49And those dedicated few from the police Academy they wanted

0:43:53to keep giving back to their community

0:43:55could form the core of a new volunteer program.

0:43:59So the community police Academy was like the training course

0:44:03on how to be a police department volunteer.

0:44:06So after getting that off the ground in 2012

0:44:08that program grew to an amazing success.

0:44:12We went from having one police department volunteer

0:44:14in 2009 to having over 20 police volunteers

0:44:18during the last decade.

0:44:20We've given about two academies a year

0:44:24ever since 2012 with the curriculum

0:44:27still relying on that framework that Rob came up with.

0:44:31In 2012 he was awarded the Distinguished Service

0:44:34Award by the police department for his work

0:44:36in community outreach.

0:44:38Now, Rob spent a lot of time in the last 10 years

0:44:41doing other things as well.

0:44:43He was a reserve firefighter for the communities of Roday

0:44:46and on, Hercules for the last 10 years.

0:44:48And I should say, he is also a product of West Contra Costa

0:44:51county, having grown up in West Contra Costa

0:44:53and also going to schools in what was then the Richmond

0:44:56Unified School district, where I was also a department trainer

0:44:59and first aid and firearms.

0:45:01And he also made self-improvement a priority

0:45:03for himself and was a big promoter of it

0:45:05for other officers.

0:45:07While employed as an officer, he got his bachelor's degree

0:45:09from California State University at East Bay

0:45:12and he got his master's degree from California State

0:45:14University.

0:45:15Long beach is also a graduate of the supervisory leadership

0:45:19institute, the LAPD leadership program,

0:45:22and the FBI National Academy.

0:45:25For me, when I think of Rob's time here,

0:45:28I think his legacy was really developing a modern

0:45:32and cutting edge training program, three things

0:45:34really, really taking our training to the next level

0:45:39and having it be a model for other agencies in the area.

0:45:43That he supported and mentored a very diverse agency.

0:45:48Rob spent a lot of time in charge of either directly

0:45:52hiring employees or being oversight in the hiring

0:45:55process, and he had an eye for choosing people that brought

0:45:58something else to the table that maybe was

0:46:01intangible on an application.

0:46:04They had people with different life experiences, people

0:46:07with different education levels.

0:46:11And he really helped create a department

0:46:13that I think is a wonderful representation

0:46:16of how diverse our Bay Area is.

0:46:18And it makes every individual officer here stronger

0:46:23because of the people that Rob helped Usher in to our agency

0:46:27and how and the people he supported once they were here.

0:46:31Rob was also you may not know it from his serious outward

0:46:35demeanor, but Rob is very passionate about making

0:46:39sure employees get recognition for their good work,

0:46:42whether it's awarding them with a plaque

0:46:44or making sure that their service is recognized

0:46:47for taking the time to personally connect with them

0:46:49and tell them.

0:46:49They did something right.

0:46:51And they should be proud of the work they did.

0:46:53The third thing that Rob really leaves behind

0:46:56is a legacy is challenging the status quo.

0:47:00Rob has a lot of years in law enforcement,

0:47:03but he always spent time away from work thinking about how

0:47:06thick, how policies and procedures and practices

0:47:09could be improved.

0:47:11And having a radar for what other agencies are doing

0:47:14and noticing when an agency does it wrong.

0:47:17And that we need to make an adjustment

0:47:19or recognizing when an agency does it right.

0:47:21And that we should be doing something

0:47:22more like that agency.

0:47:24He was constantly on the lookout for doing things better,

0:47:27and Rob was the best second in command

0:47:29I could ever ask for in public with our officers.

0:47:33He supported agency change and improvement,

0:47:36and he was always there to support

0:47:38the mission of the agency.

0:47:40And in private, Rob is one of those guys

0:47:42who will tell it like it is.

0:47:45No holds barred if you need it here, no holds barred.

0:47:48That's how he gives it to you.

0:47:49And that is an invaluable resource and absolutely

0:47:53just the epitome of leadership.

0:47:56So Rob always had his hand on the pulse of law enforcement,

0:47:59and he understood the law enforcement must

0:48:01focus on constant improvement.

0:48:03So I'm really excited that Rob is

0:48:07going to be concluding an amazing law enforcement career.

0:48:11Rob is a fantastic law enforcement leader.

0:48:13And I'll say both Rob and Steve have a lot more to offer

0:48:17to the law enforcement field.

0:48:19So I'm hoping that if they go into retirement

0:48:21and they're not doing something directly related

0:48:23to law enforcement, I'm hoping it's something

0:48:25law enforcement adjacent.

0:48:27But, rob, I'm really going to miss you.

0:48:29I'm going to miss all of the powwows

0:48:32in our respective offices where we

0:48:35talked about how we could change paradigms

0:48:38that the police department.

0:48:40So thank you very much for your service and you will be missed.

0:48:43100% Thank you very much.

0:48:47Can you hear me?

0:48:48Yes all right.

0:48:49Thank you for the kind words.

0:48:51Appreciate it.

0:48:54Not much else I can add.

0:48:56Well, I will, said Steven, I have worked for now

0:48:58five Chiefs in our time there.

0:49:01And all of them deserve great respect for various reasons

0:49:06that Paul's probably got his pulse

0:49:09on the finger of the community as well as any of them,

0:49:12or maybe better.

0:49:13So I think the city is in good hands

0:49:15and the department's in good hands with him.

0:49:18My other part of your mind here might be always respect

0:49:23that our officers and our firefighters

0:49:26are always over there in that station 24/7.

0:49:28I have spent many holidays in that building

0:49:31across the street, many thanksgivings,

0:49:33many christmases, Christmas eves, all of the above.

0:49:38And there will be people doing that this year, next year,

0:49:41the year after n to infinity.

0:49:44So they deserve a great deal of respect for that.

0:49:50Thanks Janet, do you have any comments?

0:49:56Sure, I would just say that I've really

0:50:00enjoyed working with you, robin, and some of the activities.

0:50:08And one of the things I think I really like about you

0:50:13is your smile.

0:50:15It really.

0:50:18You know, for all the things that we do.

0:50:22And a lot of them are very difficult. And very down.

0:50:28You're always there with a smile and you

0:50:31know that you're always there.

0:50:34And I've enjoyed being with you as we do the many things

0:50:39that we've done.

0:50:40And I think of the activities where

0:50:43I think mostly run into you.

0:50:45And I think you were always one of the leaders

0:50:49of whatever the activity was.

0:50:52And I appreciate that.

0:50:54And so I think I'm really going to miss you because I think

0:50:59it's your part of the face of our evolutionary,

0:51:05though, that makes me want to live here.

0:51:08And so I hope that you in your future have as good at.

0:51:19An experience as you've had here,

0:51:23I hope maybe you don't have to do the 24 hour thing.

0:51:29It can be rough.

0:51:30And I know from firsthand experience

0:51:32because my son is a firefighter, my son-in-law is a firefighter.

0:51:38So I've spent many a Thanksgiving at the firehouse

0:51:44where my son works because that's the only way we

0:51:47get together on Thanksgiving.

0:51:52And and the neighbors bring it where he works.

0:51:56The neighbors bring in food.

0:51:58So I know that if you just one just kind of gets over the idea

0:52:05that, oh, I've got to work, you know, oh, my son, in my case,

0:52:09my son has got to work on Thanksgiving.

0:52:11We can still make it together occasion.

0:52:15And it's I think, you know, I think

0:52:22that's one of the things that makes it better is the family.

0:52:27And so I hope you and your family enjoy your retirement

0:52:34and I'll think about, and I hope you come back and visit

0:52:40and oh, you know, we've had some great times

0:52:45together throughout the years, and I wish

0:52:49you the best in the future.

0:52:52Thanks very much.

0:52:54My photographs, I found some nice photos of you.

0:52:56And I and chief Kirkland at an event

0:52:58that I will be sending to you.

0:52:59Oh, really?

0:53:01I think they.

0:53:04But I want to say congratulations

0:53:07and, you know, you're also West county and sorry,

0:53:12that home grown and I just want to say thank you.

0:53:16Our police department is what it is because of your leadership.

0:53:20And and as someone who grew up here,

0:53:24I know that many of our residents know who you are.

0:53:29All through the years, dealing with the National night

0:53:32out and the things you would do, what the Bart station

0:53:35with the trainings and the checking,

0:53:38the baby seats and all that.

0:53:44So but, you know, I do remember when we did that drive-through

0:53:49the neighborhoods.

0:53:50And I remember how everyone knew who you were.

0:53:55And that it's a loss to have you leave.

0:53:59But know that, you know, I look forward

0:54:02to hearing and learning about your next chapter in life

0:54:06and all the best to you.

0:54:09One of the things I'm proud of our city

0:54:12is of how our department has always done the right thing.

0:54:20And so know that the problems that we've had here

0:54:26on the North side have played an instrumental role

0:54:30of cutting that to a minimum.

0:54:32So I know our residents who help me

0:54:35out on the neighborhood watch.

0:54:36And we started that here years ago.

0:54:41You played an instrumental role.

0:54:42So again, thank you for all that.

0:54:44Appreciate Paul Callan, thank you

0:54:49for your 22 years of service.

0:54:52It's much appreciated.

0:54:53I know the chief mentioned that you have excelled in two things

0:54:57that are increasingly important to police

0:55:00forces and police departments, and

0:55:03that's training and diversity.

0:55:04The things you've done for training and making

0:55:07our force diverse is what we need to be

0:55:10thinking about going forward.

0:55:12And I know you have a big macho image,

0:55:14but I happen to see once at an outdoor cafe

0:55:17with your little tiny dog and you were treating him.

0:55:20So nice.

0:55:21I think you have probably a big heart to go along with that.

0:55:25And I know that when you finally retire, if baseball ever

0:55:29gets back in the way it should be,

0:55:31you're going to be visiting lots of baseball

0:55:33stadiums in your retirement.

0:55:35So much.

0:55:36Congratulations, sir.

0:55:38Thank you, Michelle.

0:55:43I'll also add my congratulations and affiliated with working

0:55:48on Christmas and Thanksgiving.

0:55:50I've done many of those myself, and I

0:55:52know how it feels when you're walking into the building

0:55:55and knowing everyone else is kind of relaxing at home.

0:56:00But I also know that once you do get into that building,

0:56:04you're with your second family.

0:56:06And so I know that you've really had a second family here.

0:56:10And also, Rita and I, I am sure that they

0:56:14will miss you very, very much at the police station.

0:56:18So enjoy your retirement.

0:56:21You deserve it.

0:56:22You get to have all those Christmases and Thanksgivings

0:56:26and 4th of July with your family and your loved

0:56:29ones and your friends.

0:56:31And please enjoy that.

0:56:33And also, I'd like to personally thank you for the work

0:56:36you did on national night out service

0:56:40and national night out with my introduction city.

0:56:44I held my own block party.

0:56:46And so I want to thank you for that.

0:56:48think it's a wonderful event.

0:56:50And I think it really does help everyone

0:56:52to get to know their neighbors.

0:56:54Then we can all look out for each other.

0:56:56So thank you for doing that.

0:56:58And I hope you have a great time in retirement.

0:57:03You're welcome.

0:57:04Thank you very much, everybody.

0:57:06Thank you, Rob.

0:57:07As as a person who focuses on procedures and policies

0:57:11at my workplace, I know how difficult.

0:57:16And often clouded that is.

0:57:18And certainly it's not a greatly appreciated role.

0:57:22And so for you to help LS3 to accomplish many of the things

0:57:27that the chief spoke about is amazing.

0:57:30And and the captain is somebody that the chief

0:57:34relies on when they're out.

0:57:35And I know I've seen you on TV, I've heard you on the radio

0:57:39that you have been a rock solid foundation that supported both

0:57:44the council and the city managers

0:57:46and Chiefs I didn't know was five in the last 22 years.

0:57:50But I've known three of those Chiefs

0:57:53and I know you've supported them without doubt.

0:57:58And it's great to hear that we've

0:57:59got the one that you feel is going to take

0:58:02us forward into at this time.

0:58:04That's that's fantastic.

0:58:05Your retirement is going to leave that hole that you came

0:58:10along at the right time to fill a great need to bring us

0:58:14up to a world-class department.

0:58:16And as somebody who is a bureaucrat,

0:58:20I appreciate all the hours that you put thinking into how

0:58:24to make our department better.

0:58:26And I look forward to seeing you at an AIDS game.

0:58:31So take care in your retirement, please.

0:58:36Thank you, everybody.

0:58:37And members of the staff and the community as well.

0:58:41Thank you very much.

0:58:42And at this time, we'll clap and I'll

0:58:45ask if there's any public speakers

0:58:47on this item at this time.

0:58:49Please raise your hands.

0:58:52And I will bring up the proclamation so that I

0:58:56can read the pertinent parts.

0:59:03At this time, we do not see any hints from the members

0:59:05of the excellent.

0:59:08And the proclamation, they'll see the city council

0:59:11proclamation commending, congratulating

0:59:13Captain Robert De La khampa on his retirement

0:59:15from the police department.

0:59:18Now, therefore, the city council of the city of ulcerated

0:59:20is hereby commend Captain Robert De La campa on the occasion

0:59:24of his honorable retirement.

0:59:26The city council accepts sincere appreciation

0:59:28to Captain Robert De La kempo for his service

0:59:31to the ulcerated community and contributions

0:59:34to the success of the El, the police department.

0:59:37And I get a motion to adopt the proclamation.

0:59:40Some of.

0:59:43Some of it moved by ableton, seconded by fidele,

0:59:49can we have a roll call vote, please make limón yes.

0:59:54Near patan fidele.

0:59:55Yes council member ableman as council member.

0:59:59Pardieu akimoto.

1:00:00Yes council member kimoto.

1:00:02Yes motion carries.

1:00:04Great, thank you.

1:00:06Congratulations, gentlemen, on your retirement.

1:00:10But that concludes item item 5v.

1:00:18That concludes item five, which is

1:00:20presentations will now move to item six, which is public here.

1:00:24We have one public hearing this evening at item six, a cost

1:00:28hearing regarding fire hazard abatement of a public nuisance

1:00:31for properties identified and pursuant to LS3

1:00:35municipal code, chapter 6.

1:00:39This was the notice was published

1:00:41more than 10 days ago or 11.1.

1:00:44And our action is to conduct a public hearing in a public

1:00:47upon the conclusion, adopt a resolution confirming

1:00:50the cost of abatement of the public nuisance conditions

1:00:53resulting from the presence of weeds, rubbish, litter

1:00:55and other flammable material.

1:00:56Private property designated in Exhibit A to the resolution.

1:01:01At this point, I believe.

1:01:04Do we?

1:01:04Who is presenting is that our esteemed

1:01:09retired Mr. Gibson doesn't know how to be

1:01:13a fire prevention officer.

1:01:15Councillor mayor, you remember, you've been getting.

1:01:31Go ahead, Damian.

1:01:35Good evening, mayor limón, council members, city staff,

1:01:38and members of the community.

1:01:40My name is Damian Kerry and I am your fire prevention officer

1:01:43for the city of st. Paul.

1:01:45After the last city council meeting,

1:01:48we had one property outstanding.

1:01:521325 Devon shire court, which you see for you listed

1:01:57on exhibit a, has a history of non-compliance both in 2019

1:02:03and this year as well.

1:02:06We gave an ample time, approximately 60 days

1:02:09and three notifications and one formal posting of property

1:02:14for voluntary compliance.

1:02:15It is still and was in violation of the fire

1:02:18hazard reduction guidelines.

1:02:20Therefore we went ahead and forcibly abated the property.

1:02:24The contractor cost was $5,000 with administrative fees of 650

1:02:30for a total cost of 5,682 50.

1:02:43And that concludes your report.

1:02:49I'm going to take that as a yes.

1:02:53All right, and is there any are there

1:02:56any questions on this matter?

1:02:59Is definitely yes, Damien, you said this property

1:03:04has a history of non abatement.

1:03:10Did they have a cost in the last previous year

1:03:13as well for not cleaning that house?

1:03:18Yes, sir.

1:03:19They were on the costarring for 2019 as well.

1:03:22And they did they did pay that.

1:03:25And they did it was paid and they're continuing

1:03:30not to deal with their house.

1:03:31And again, that is correct, sir.

1:03:42And are they here, are they going to come or testify?

1:03:45Do we know?

1:03:47We will give them an opportunity because if they're here, yes.

1:03:53Any other questions?

1:03:57All right, with that, we'll open the public hearing

1:04:01and at this time, members of the public who

1:04:04wish to provide comments for this item

1:04:06should use the Raise Hand feature to request to speak.

1:04:12And city clerk, if you could read those instructions to make

1:04:16sure that if there's any members of the public who

1:04:18would like to speak, we have an opportunity to hear from them.

1:04:21Yes, the race and the race and the icon

1:04:24can be found on the participant panel.

1:04:26There is a visual up on the screen for the various devices

1:04:30to locate that.

1:04:32And if you click it, it will enable your hand.

1:04:34And at this point, I am not seeing

1:04:36any hands requesting to speak.

1:04:42We'll wait another minute.

1:04:44A bit, maybe not a whole minute, and I will go find my script.

1:04:55OK, can I get a motion to close the public hearing?

1:05:00So we have a motion by Purdue, okemos,

1:05:07seconded by abels in roll call vote this alignment.

1:05:11Yes, mayor fidele.

1:05:13Yes, council member ableman.

1:05:16Guess I do.

1:05:17Akimoto yes.

1:05:19Council member quintel.

1:05:21Yes motion carries that closes the public hearing.

1:05:24Are there any council comments or questions

1:05:28prior to taking up a resolution, which I will find and read.

1:05:37See, none, I will go find the resolution.

1:05:43The resolution before us this evening

1:05:44is a resolution of the city council

1:05:46in the city of ulcerated, confirming the report

1:05:48of the cost of abatement of public nuisance conditions

1:05:50resulting from the presence of weeds, rubbish, litter

1:05:52and other flammable materials on the private property designated

1:05:55here under the authority contained

1:05:58in elfrida municipal code section one 6.26.

1:06:02That's the resolution for us.

1:06:05Can I get a motion to pass the resolution?

1:06:07Some motion by abels and seconded by kiddo.

1:06:12Can we have a roll-call vote please?

1:06:15Realignment, yes, mayor patan fidele, yes, council member,

1:06:19apison, yes, council member, pardieu, akimoto, yes, council

1:06:24member Kinko motion carries.

1:06:27Excellent.

1:06:28Thank you.

1:06:29And that concludes our first of two public hearings,

1:06:33I misspoke before.

1:06:35I don't know what piece of paper.

1:06:36I was looking at.

1:06:38That concludes item six, a public hearing with guards

1:06:41to fire hazard abatement of public nuisance within 3,

1:06:462 six.

1:06:48B is proposed East Bay sanitary garbage and green waste waste

1:06:52collection and collection and integrated waste management

1:06:55fees effective January 1, 2021.

1:06:58Again, we will have a public hearing adopt

1:07:02a resolution upon conclusion will adopt two resolutions, one

1:07:07that is establishing the maximum allowable rate that EPA

1:07:11sanitary can charge any second.

1:07:13That is setting our integrated waste management fees.

1:07:17And it looks like.

1:07:19And I've got to go over to my screen is evet here or is

1:07:22it looks like it's going to be will tonight,

1:07:24or is it about at event that you're here.

1:07:29So long?

1:07:29I didn't recognize you, shaggy.

1:07:33I'm about to share my screen on one second, please.

1:07:47Is that visible to everybody?

1:07:50Good evening, mayor and city council members.

1:07:53I am Yvette Ortiz, the city's public works director

1:07:57of public works through our operations

1:07:59and environmental services division,

1:08:01manages the city's curbside recycling collection

1:08:04programs, the recycling and environmental Resource

1:08:07Center and various integrated waste management programs.

1:08:14We also managed to see this contract with insanitary,

1:08:18our franchise franchises was tother,

1:08:20who collects our garbage and waste

1:08:22and Republic services, who processes

1:08:25and disposes of garbage and waste after it's collected.

1:08:29The three major components of the city's solid waste services

1:08:31are shown on this slide.

1:08:34Over the last year or so, the staff

1:08:35have been focused on meeting current and upcoming state

1:08:38wide diverging requirements, including

1:08:40ab eighteen, 26 and speed.

1:08:43Genetically, these are aggressive state mandates

1:08:46that introduces a significant amount of waste,

1:08:50as will be discussed in further detail tonight.

1:08:54Also, since march, city staff has been focused

1:08:57on continuing to provide services to our community

1:09:01and COVID 19 conditions.

1:09:04It's been a significant effort to do so that we opened

1:09:08the recycling center soon after outdoor businesses were allowed

1:09:11to resume earlier this spring.

1:09:14And we have implemented protocols

1:09:15to keep the public and staff safe while using them.

1:09:19Also, our curbside recycling drivers

1:09:21have not miss a beat they've been

1:09:23doing to provide a daily weekday service to our residents in.

1:09:28Along with the sanitary.

1:09:31Each year, the city council reviews and approves

1:09:33the rates on fees charged to ratepayers

1:09:35in the city of elzbieta for these solid waste components.

1:09:40Tonight, city staff is requesting

1:09:41adjustments to our components.

1:09:43We engaged our consulting services

1:09:46to advise us on the rates, given other recent changes

1:09:49to recycling markets since the end date

1:09:51and impacts of COVID 19.

1:09:54Ar3 has extensive experience in the field of solid waste

1:09:57management and sustainability and assists municipal clients

1:10:01throughout the state.

1:10:04Our principal at our consulting is here tonight and will

1:10:07assist with the solicitation.

1:10:09Also participating in the meeting, our maxygen president

1:10:12of the sanitary and octobers, the city's

1:10:15operation and environmental services division manager.

1:10:18They are available to respond to questions as well.

1:10:20I am pleased to announce that, well, it was promoted

1:10:23to the position just this past month

1:10:26as our new manager for operations

1:10:27environmental services.

1:10:29I will not hand, the presentation over to guard.

1:10:32We will walk our rate setting process of.

1:10:38Great, thank you very much.

1:10:39You bet.

1:10:40Can you hear me all right, folks?

1:10:42Excellent.

1:10:42Thank you.

1:10:44We'll get once again, I'm Garth Schultz with our three

1:10:47Consulting Group.

1:10:48And not only am I a principal with the firm,

1:10:51but I'm a former solid waste manager there and Oswego.

1:10:54And so I'm certainly knowledgeable of the city's

1:10:57systems and rates and helped establish many of the systems.

1:11:00Some years ago.

1:11:02I'm covering essentially just the mechanics of the rate

1:11:05adjustment proposed for this year,

1:11:07starting with the space and collection rates

1:11:10moving into the post collection rates,

1:11:12which are related to the city's membership

1:11:15in the recycle more joint powers authority

1:11:18and then into the integrated waste management fees.

1:11:22So those three components taken all together

1:11:24comprise the entirety of the rates that are set.

1:11:28And then charged to residents and businesses.

1:11:31Now, Spirito, starting with the East Bay sand collection

1:11:34rate adjustments.

1:11:35It's important to understand, first off,

1:11:37that their compensation for the garbage and green waste

1:11:40collection services they provide does come

1:11:43exclusively from rates charged to

1:11:45and paid by residents and businesses.

1:11:47They don't receive tax funds or any other funds exclusively

1:11:50operate based operation.

1:11:53And since 2012, though, that compensation to the company

1:11:58is essentially a set annual rate revenue amount.

1:12:01And this was partially to help account for the fact

1:12:04that elsah returns on the hole over the course of the last 20

1:12:08years have done an excellent job recycling and composting,

1:12:12moving solid waste from their blue garbage container

1:12:16into their gray recycling and green composting containers

1:12:21in over the course of time.

1:12:22That had a deleterious effect on revenue collections

1:12:26by bassan back in 2012, while I was with the city

1:12:30and also via contract with our three,

1:12:33we working in collaboration with these bassan

1:12:36established new compensation mechanism that then adjust

1:12:40that compensation in accordance with a set of market indices

1:12:44called the refuse rate index.

1:12:46And so that's essentially Bureau of Labor Statistics

1:12:50posted market indexes for labor and maintenance,

1:12:53and fuel and vehicle equipment that then is

1:12:57averaged out to essentially approximate the cost

1:13:00increases to the company over the course of time.

1:13:04And so each year they calculate and then city staff

1:13:08or through a contractor like us evaluates

1:13:11the proposal for that increase in compensation.

1:13:13And for 2021 that calculation calculated increase

1:13:17in compensation is a 1.64 increase

1:13:20to EPA standards, compensation and the rates

1:13:23that are proposed tonight.

1:13:24Cover that section and provide a little bit

1:13:28of additional context towards the end of the presentation.

1:13:30Next slide, please.

1:13:33So the first part was the collection compensation,

1:13:35which again goes directly to.

1:13:38It's their compensation for the operations of the trucks

1:13:41and the staff to pick up the blue and green

1:13:44containers throughout town.

1:13:46The post-election compensation is compensation for the per ton

1:13:52cost of handling the garbage and green waste

1:13:57and construction and demolition waste

1:13:59that e-space San collects.

1:14:01The garbage, green waste and construction and demolition

1:14:04material is directed to public services

1:14:08West Contra Costa County facilities through a post

1:14:12collection agreement that the city of La

1:14:14has with Republic Services.

1:14:17Other members of the recycle more joint powers authority

1:14:20also have a similar collection agreement directing

1:14:23those materials to the regional facilities and all

1:14:26together through the membership in the recycle more entity.

1:14:30There's agreement on how to address per ton compensation

1:14:33for a variety of factors, including compensation

1:14:36to Republic for the landfill disposal of the garbage,

1:14:39composting of the green waste processing, separation

1:14:43and marketing of the construction and demolition

1:14:45materials management administration of services

1:14:50through the household hazardous waste program.

1:14:52And then the cost for the operations of the joint powers

1:14:56authority itself.

1:14:57Recycle more for this current year there

1:15:02through the set of calculations related to CPI for compensation

1:15:07to Republic and then the authority's adoption

1:15:11of a household hazardous waste budget

1:15:13and a revenue element for funding the recycle more

1:15:17joint powers authority.

1:15:19It's $113 and 11 per ton for the approximately 11,000 tons

1:15:24of applicable solid waste that's collected

1:15:26by these bazan and ossorio.

1:15:29It is important to note that the authority voted and chair

1:15:34lineman Greg Lyman at the time.

1:15:36And gave into were both present for this

1:15:39as members and an alternate of the authority voted to a use

1:15:45fund reserves for offsetting the per ton cost, extending a break

1:15:50to ratepayers so that per ton rate

1:15:53is actually somewhat less than it's been in prior years

1:15:55as a result of a number of factors,

1:15:56including the use of reserves that the recycling

1:15:58authority level to prevent the rates from going up too much.

1:16:02This current year.

1:16:04Those costs also include compliance with state

1:16:07laws ab 1826 and 8,083.

1:16:10I mentioned those in a moment.

1:16:12Those are being addressed largely at a regional level.

1:16:16El cerrito has individual responsibilities and actions

1:16:19that it's taking, but there is also regional coordination

1:16:22around both of these laws, as well as funding included

1:16:26in this $113 per ton to help support, recycle

1:16:29more and also reduce compliance with those laws

1:16:32in twenty, 2001.

1:16:34And these are essentially parts of the rate that

1:16:37are a pass through for EPA and they all

1:16:40go directly to public services.

1:16:42And then also to recycle more to fund those collection

1:16:45operations that have noted.

1:16:47Next slide, please.

1:16:54So the next one not up yet, at least not on my screen,

1:16:57is OK, there we go.

1:16:58The integrated waste management fee adjustment.

1:17:00This is the fee set by the city, collected by e-space sanitary

1:17:05and then remitted to the city on a regular basis

1:17:08to fund the city's costs of recycling collection,

1:17:11as well as the operations of the recycling

1:17:14environmental resources center, the drop

1:17:16off center for the hard to recycle materials and the like.

1:17:20So this covers the entirety of those operations,

1:17:23as well as the city's management, administration

1:17:26and leadership on planning for and implementing

1:17:29current and future compliance with these unfunded

1:17:31state mandates.

1:17:33And I'll name them briefly every three.

1:17:3541 is mandatory commercial recycling

1:17:38ab 1826 is mandatory organics commercial recycling, which

1:17:43has new and advancing requirements using now,

1:17:46even as of January 1, 2021 and then sb 1383 which I'll

1:17:50talk about in subsequent slide, which

1:17:52is now officially state law.

1:17:55The rulemaking on that law has been completed

1:17:57as of November and agencies throughout the state,

1:18:01including recycling Ma, are moving forward

1:18:03with planning and implementation around how

1:18:07to comply with the laws.

1:18:08The laws do place significant mandates on local jurisdictions

1:18:14such as the city for certain programmatic reporting

1:18:17and other requirements moving forward

1:18:20with initial implementation beginning in January 1, 2022

1:18:25the item fees are adjusted to maintain

1:18:29the current recycling programs.

1:18:32Build up fund balance for prior fund balance thresholds

1:18:38that were lower than desired.

1:18:40And then also to advance the requirements

1:18:42for these increasing state mandates.

1:18:43Next slide, please.

1:18:48Now, briefly, I mentioned kind of the elephant

1:18:50in the room, sb 33, many of you have

1:18:52seen this slide before from a couple of prior presentations.

1:18:56But that red flag in the middle of that's

1:18:58what recycle more Cerino and other agencies

1:19:00throughout the state are working towards essentially

1:19:03the requirement to begin having mandatory requirements

1:19:09in the municipal code around organic's participation

1:19:14by always generators throughout the state.

1:19:17And then also requirements to begin

1:19:19enforcing on a municipal code requirements.

1:19:22There are a whole host of other details within the law

1:19:25that I want time to go into detail in here.

1:19:27Now But once again, recycled Sycamore has already

1:19:30moved forward with initial planning

1:19:31around this identifying roles, responsibilities and action

1:19:35items, both that will be taken at a regional level,

1:19:38at a local level, and then also working

1:19:41in partnership with EPA, tan and Republic

1:19:44and other local partners and players.

1:19:46So this is a quick and advancing state law, an unfunded mandate,

1:19:50but does require new investment over the course

1:19:52of the next several years at a variety of levels.

1:19:55Next slide, please.

1:19:58So taken all together, given what

1:20:00we know of the space in our eye and collection rates,

1:20:05the adopted per ton rate, including quixotry,

1:20:09the per ton rate calculated under the post collection

1:20:11agreement with republik, which includes the adopted amounts

1:20:14for joint powers authority funding and w budget

1:20:18at the authority level, and then the integrated waste management

1:20:21fee adjustments as proposed to maintain

1:20:23programs and fund balance.

1:20:25The total monthly rates are shown

1:20:27in the third column from the right

1:20:30compared to the total monthly rate in 2020.

1:20:33You'll note these are ranging from under $1

1:20:36for the 20 gallon customer to just over $2

1:20:41for the 64 gallon customer.

1:20:43As in prior years, the vast majority

1:20:46of those residential repairs are in the 2035

1:20:49gallon container size and those rates are going up at flat.

1:20:53Proposed to go up a flat 2% for the 1 cubic yard and 2

1:20:57cubic yard commercial bulk.

1:21:00That's those rates are shown for one collection per week.

1:21:03That's slightly under a 2% increase for those rates,

1:21:07as well as for the cubic yardage for green waste.

1:21:10So should the council approve the proposed EPA

1:21:14sand collection and post collection rates in EWM feed

1:21:18tonight?

1:21:18This is what the total monthly rates for customers

1:21:21would look like.

1:21:22Coming up in 2021.

1:21:23Again, a 2% increase.

1:21:25Next slide this.

1:21:27We should note that overall, the rate revenue need

1:21:32between the three operators, the three components

1:21:35of the operation was based on collection, e-space

1:21:38and post collection, an integrated waste

1:21:40management fee for the city.

1:21:42The overall revenue requirement is only going up

1:21:44about one, 8% and 2021.

1:21:47There are a couple of factors influencing this.

1:21:50One is a roughly $200,000 carry forward via balancing account,

1:21:55which is explained in more detail in the staff report

1:21:58on essentially, that was an over collection of revenue

1:22:00compared to what e-space sanitoria was owed in 2019.

1:22:05A part of that compensation mechanism I mentioned earlier

1:22:09essentially helps ratepayers share in the risk

1:22:11and reward if rates generate more revenue than needed.

1:22:15Those those overages are carried forward and offset

1:22:17rates in future years.

1:22:19If rates generate less revenue than needed, which

1:22:22can be the result. If folks either stop subscribing

1:22:25to garbage service or subscribe to a smaller container sizes,

1:22:28then ratepayers share in the risk of that in future years

1:22:31and help make up the difference.

1:22:33For every year that that mechanism has been in place,

1:22:36it has generated a surplus, meaning it's helped

1:22:38offset rates in future years.

1:22:42That noted, covid-19 has created significant impacts

1:22:48in the commercial and debris box subscription sector,

1:22:51both announced ahorita and statewide e-space

1:22:55in other solid waste, companies throughout the state

1:22:58do expect to see less than normal revenues in 2020,

1:23:04as well as potentially into 2021 in order

1:23:08to mitigate those potential impacts

1:23:11and avoid rate spikes in the future.

1:23:13This proposal is to increase rates up to two percent,

1:23:17somewhat above the rate revenue requirement needed

1:23:20to essentially hedge against the likelihood of a collection

1:23:25of rates in the current year.

1:23:26In the coming year, if that hedge is unnecessary,

1:23:31surplus revenues compared to what's required

1:23:33will carry forward to future years.

1:23:36Ratepayers will not be out.

1:23:38It will essentially just prevent further spikes

1:23:40further down the road.

1:23:41So that is a part of the proposal

1:23:42before you this evening is to adopt that the 2% overall rate

1:23:46increase, given the knowledge that ongoing migration

1:23:49and the 19 impacts will affect revenues in the current

1:23:53and likely in 2021 year.

1:23:54Next slide.

1:23:57Finally, before I pass it back to that,

1:24:00there is a set of upcoming attractions for the city's

1:24:04solid waste programs.

1:24:05On the whole, I mention the action for compliance

1:24:08with sb 1383.

1:24:09That's well underway, a variety of levels.

1:24:12There is also a likely effort to move towards evaluation

1:24:17of potentially outsourcing the city's

1:24:19recycling collection operations, which may maybe future action

1:24:22on, then there in these that you've seen before,

1:24:26these last bullets, you have both the need to comply with sb

1:24:32need 3 over the next few years.

1:24:33And make some programmatic and administrative changes

1:24:35around that, as well as secure longer term recyclables

1:24:39processing solutions.

1:24:41You've been on a spot kind of year

1:24:42to year market with your current recyclables processor.

1:24:46More importantly, however, is that your two

1:24:48primary agreements for a private solid waste solutions in East

1:24:53Bay and Republic expire in twenty, 2005

1:24:57and very soon in 2021 is our recommendation.

1:25:00The city should start making decisions

1:25:02regarding how to approach those longer term contracting needs.

1:25:07Usually want to have something in place

1:25:10a good year or two before hand before those

1:25:13come to their termination.

1:25:15Thank you for the time.

1:25:16I'm happy to take questions after that's

1:25:17done with concluding comments.

1:25:18And it's always a pleasure to be back here

1:25:20and I'm sorry to thank you.

1:25:22Great, thank you.

1:25:24I'm looking at my fellow council members.

1:25:25Any questions at this time?

1:25:29Rachel and Janet, I'm just curious,

1:25:35I saw on one of the slides that some of the new mandates

1:25:41want it at a certain percentage reduction in green waste

1:25:46or making having a.

1:25:49More of our waste in the green bin,

1:25:51but we're already doing a good job on that in ossorio,

1:25:55so I understand.

1:25:56So I was wondering how that affects us here at ossorio.

1:26:01I'm happy to take that.

1:26:03So that the overview of sb 1383 that was on that slide

1:26:07is kind of framing a large city wide goals around reductions

1:26:10of the amounts of organic's going into landfill

1:26:13elsewhere is absolutely doing a great job.

1:26:16The requirements in the law that were programs specific.

1:26:20And so it's not saying, OK, if you're already

1:26:23have a good level of capture of organics in your waste stream,

1:26:27you don't need to comply with the law

1:26:29says you have to do a certain amount

1:26:32of this type of outreach.

1:26:33You have to have an ordinance on the books.

1:26:36That makes participation in these programs mandatory

1:26:39and that has to be enforceable.

1:26:40And you have to enforce it.

1:26:42That's the bulk of what will be a change for ossorio.

1:26:45Other components that will be a change

1:26:47are greater requirements around monitoring and reporting

1:26:51of things like contamination in the organic green beans stream,

1:26:55as well as in the recycling stream and other thresholds,

1:26:59like that.

1:27:00More nuanced and kind of odd provisions in the agreements

1:27:04are in the law excuse me, are requirements to procure

1:27:08certain amounts of compost or natural gas

1:27:12that has come from waste generated storage sources

1:27:16and actually achieving certain thresholds

1:27:18that are established by population

1:27:20throughout the states.

1:27:22There's more information that I believe

1:27:23will be coming forward to the recycle more board of directors

1:27:27soon.

1:27:28And therefore will also be available to the city.

1:27:30That will kind of detail the specific requirements

1:27:33at more length.

1:27:36Thank you, Janet.

1:27:39I'm first of all, welcome back, Garth, it's good to see you.

1:27:46The was kind of wondering about.

1:27:50And I think that's something that

1:27:53at least partially discussed.

1:27:55It was what you know, to give an idea what

1:27:59the impact of our previous inability

1:28:04to do things with our plastics and so forth.

1:28:12And, you know, not being able to recycle what we thought

1:28:17of as our recyclables has is that how

1:28:21does that impact all of this?

1:28:25Nice to see you as well, Janet.

1:28:27It was a pleasure.

1:28:29You know, there's two kind of sides to that coin.

1:28:34One is how much of that material is going to landfill

1:28:39instead of being recycled.

1:28:41And then the other is the more immediate kind

1:28:43of economic impact, which is really the more lasting

1:28:46impact for you and cerita.

1:28:49The result is essentially, that your 4,000 to 5,000 tons

1:28:55of recyclable material that's collected every year

1:28:58used to be a revenue generating mechanism,

1:29:01at least with respect to the sale of those materials

1:29:03as a commodity.

1:29:05And now has gone to a cost center.

1:29:07And so that's the primary switch that's flipped

1:29:09as it's gone from something that you could maybe

1:29:11earn $40 million on a year to now paying

1:29:15a quarter million a year.

1:29:16And those impacts are lasting and

1:29:18they're not going to change.

1:29:19And you're not alone in that.

1:29:20That's statewide, nationwide, worldwide.

1:29:23On the former side of the coin, with respect

1:29:26to how it's impacting your diversion formants,

1:29:29I haven't been in the weeds of it,

1:29:31and I think we might be able to respond to this more directly.

1:29:34But by and large, it shouldn't be affecting it all that much.

1:29:37Most of the material that folks were recycling and collecting

1:29:41in Colorado and throughout the state continues to be recycled.

1:29:45The more kind of fringe materials, plastics,

1:29:51contaminated plastics, they're bulky.

1:29:54There's a fair amount of them.

1:29:55We're all concerned about them, but they

1:29:56don't waste all that much.

1:29:57And the truth of the matter was that even when

1:30:00we thought they were being recycled,

1:30:01they weren't really being recycled, at least not

1:30:03all that frequently.

1:30:05And so the difference today is that instead of earning

1:30:09some revenue on those, you're paying a processing fee

1:30:12and there's more kind of openness and honesty

1:30:16in the industry about what's actually happening

1:30:18with those materials, which is that they're

1:30:19really destined for landfill.

1:30:21That may change again in the future,

1:30:22but it's not changing anytime in the next several years.

1:30:26Thanks, Garth.

1:30:28Well, did you have anything to add to that?

1:30:30Yeah, good evening, mayor and city council.

1:30:33My name is, well, previs, the city's operations and

1:30:35environmental Services Manager.

1:30:37And just to build on what Garth said, in many ways,

1:30:40we are now subsidizing recycling and we're really

1:30:44pleased with that process.

1:30:46Who's able to take a wide variety of materials, even

1:30:48still, and things like packs, which our old processor does

1:30:53this kind of juice cartons our old processor couldn't recycle.

1:30:57They can.

1:30:58And in many ways, we're still recycling those plastics

1:31:01by sending them there.

1:31:03And from our drop off facility to other sources.

1:31:06But now, we're definitely paying for those materials

1:31:08to be processed, whereas in the past,

1:31:10we might have gained some revenue.

1:31:17Any other comments or questions from the council?

1:31:21Paul, yeah, I'm not sure who can answer.

1:31:25I have a couple of questions, and I find it interesting

1:31:28that as successful as Alfredo is getting to reducing our waste

1:31:34to smaller bands, it plays against the costs

1:31:37of the program because the program still

1:31:39has to be paid for.

1:31:42So it doesn't as successful as we are,

1:31:44there's still a cost that needs to happen.

1:31:47The first question I had is that I heard the hespe 1383.

1:31:53It was going to be very expensive to implement

1:31:58and this proposal isn't a huge increase.

1:32:03Is this enough money to assist in that effort going forward?

1:32:10I can begin asking that question,

1:32:14are we have a 10 year plan for this?

1:32:17And we do have.

1:32:18Stackpool proposed starting up dates in July of 2021,

1:32:25including the Waste Prevention specialist,

1:32:27to help us with a 33 limitation.

1:32:31So it is built into the rates, the public is.

1:32:34One of the big reasons the rate increase is not higher

1:32:37is because we have a substantial increase.

1:32:39Last year, if you remember last year

1:32:42as we were trying to reverse the negative fund

1:32:46balance in the plan, that was an amount due to the general fund.

1:32:51We raise the rates substantially.

1:32:52So that rate increases are over.

1:32:56So that negative unrestricted fund balance was paid off.

1:33:00Yes, which is good news.

1:33:02But then we have other costs going forward in the analysis.

1:33:07There are two bullets about that.

1:33:08I want to just get a little more feedback

1:33:10on what is about implementing our fiscal response plan.

1:33:14What what is the plan to have someone talk to us

1:33:19about changing the system?

1:33:20What what is that plan?

1:33:22And then secondarily, do we need a forklift replaced and the

1:33:28same amount will pay for that.

1:33:31Greg, thank you for the question.

1:33:33So there's a couple of things that we have,

1:33:36including and the rate setting that weren't in the budget that

1:33:42was adopted in October as part of the annual budget,

1:33:47but first was consulting services

1:33:49for the evaluation of election operations

1:33:52and the potential for outsourcing.

1:33:55Now, the potential for outsourcing was started.

1:33:58The strategy that was recommended by a British study

1:34:00as part of the response plan that was presented

1:34:03to council several months ago.

1:34:05So it's not it's just a study to evaluate whether outsourcing

1:34:10of our curbside collection will mitigate

1:34:13some risks and liabilities.

1:34:15At the same time, we're looking at any impacts

1:34:18to weight loss, and other city operations.

1:34:22So we're looking at the operations of our cycle.

1:34:26And then gathering, whether outsourcing ultimately

1:34:31benefits the city and the.

1:34:33So for that study to have a cost for how

1:34:36much that study will cost us, we have budgeted

1:34:40about $60,000 in the budget.

1:34:45I think we solicited proposals a couple months ago.

1:34:50And we're reviewing the proposals now,

1:34:52the US proposals.

1:34:53And we'll be looking at any proposals.

1:35:00And we will be bringing that to city council

1:35:02for approval of the project.

1:35:04And in January or February.

1:35:08Thank you.

1:35:09And then the forklift is something

1:35:10that can be paid by this fee increase as well, correct?

1:35:14It's an 18 part company.

1:35:17Thank you.

1:35:22It's just an additional item.

1:35:24Council member, fidele, with respect

1:35:26to sb 1383 and the costs, there are still some ongoing

1:35:32or future ongoing costs related to the implementation

1:35:35of the law, which have not yet been identified.

1:35:37That's a part of the process that

1:35:39recycle more is going through.

1:35:41Now, some of those ongoing costs will

1:35:44relate to monitoring enforcement of municipal code requirements

1:35:51and other similar costs.

1:35:53So those have not yet been quantified or included

1:35:56into either recycle more or else reiterates, though I should

1:36:00say, in comparison to the rest of the state, the fact

1:36:03that Wall Street has robust green waste

1:36:05collection programs already.

1:36:06That's the majority where the costs

1:36:08would otherwise have come from.

1:36:09And you already set up for that.

1:36:10So your cost increases still are yet

1:36:13to come in a couple of areas, but they're more at the margins

1:36:16compared to the rest of the state,

1:36:18and that won't come for a year.

1:36:20That next level of a cost increase possibly.

1:36:23I would suspect that at the recycle

1:36:25more level discussions and kind of next steps

1:36:29will be rolled out in twenty, 2001 working,

1:36:32then with the member agencies, including ulcerated,

1:36:35to identify those activities that need to be

1:36:37undertaken starting in 2022.

1:36:39Is that correct?

1:36:39That is correct.

1:36:41Thank you.

1:36:43And Garth, you mentioned that the recycle more chose

1:36:48to use their reserves to minimize the rate increase,

1:36:51and historically, those types of decisions

1:36:55have not necessarily worked in Australia's favor

1:36:59because the rates that they're setting

1:37:01are sometimes setting both garbage and recycling.

1:37:06And we deal with our own recycling.

1:37:10Is that reserve rate going to benefit all in the same way

1:37:17of benefits, other communities, the use of their reserves,

1:37:21the recycled more reserves?

1:37:24It certainly does for twenty, 21.

1:37:26What that may mean for twenty, 22 is as of yet unknown,

1:37:30if recycled work continues with a programmatic budget in 2022

1:37:36as planned for 2021 then there'll

1:37:37be a bit of a jump in the per ton rates

1:37:40in order to get back to kind of full revenue generation

1:37:43without the use of reserves.

1:37:45By and large though again, that's

1:37:47fairly at the margins for Serrato

1:37:50so that it is shielding ratepayers in twenty, 2001

1:37:53to a degree here in ossorio to the same degree

1:37:57as the other communities.

1:37:58That's, that's my concern, is that because we

1:38:00only use the post collection.

1:38:02Well I mean, it's the because they only deal with our garbage

1:38:05stream to some degree.

1:38:07It's not the same, we don't pay the same.

1:38:12So I'm just curious if we I mean,

1:38:15I know this was the case in the prior joint powers agreement,

1:38:18so potentially we've solved that problem in the new joint power

1:38:21agreement on a ton per ton basis also

1:38:27is receiving the exact same benefit

1:38:29as the other member agencies.

1:38:30Excellent but that is what I wanted to hear it.

1:38:35If I could just add to that, it's

1:38:37because the reserves were used to offset

1:38:39by recycling one versus another component of the right.

1:38:42So we've asked city staff to have to work really closely

1:38:46with our staff to get the same benefit

1:38:48because we had operations and staff are working

1:38:53with the psychomotor consultants to get

1:38:57the value from that authority contribution.

1:39:03Great, thank you.

1:39:05And then, of the two increase in the balancing account,

1:39:13is that going to be enough?

1:39:14I'm going to echo Mr. fideles question.

1:39:16Is that enough to offset the loss of revenue,

1:39:202% downturn in revenue?

1:39:23Doesn't sound like enough compared

1:39:25to what the city itself is experiencing,

1:39:28close to a 10% reduction.

1:39:34In terms of the integrated risk management fees,

1:39:37we are do have a we'll have a healthy fine balance

1:39:41it does to stay in the house.

1:39:43And on balance, I now have to answer on his behalf in terms

1:39:49of the impact on insanitary.

1:39:52Mr beginning, I see you're with us.

1:39:55Hopefully you have good news and that your rate,

1:39:58your overall rate reduction is not

1:40:00as good as much as feared that.

1:40:05Well we indeed took a hit this year.

1:40:07And it just depends on how quickly

1:40:10things come back next year.

1:40:14We we came in requesting the one point six, 2% certainly helps.

1:40:18We have the big surplus that Gareth mentioned with by virtue

1:40:23of the balancing account.

1:40:24And so I don't think we're in for any kind of big shocks

1:40:28next year.

1:40:29I think it looks good to me going forward.

1:40:34I think we're going to be OK.

1:40:38Mark, great to hear your voice, thank you.

1:40:41Any other questions?

1:40:45All right, take a look at my screen script,

1:40:48I think I'm supposed to open it up for public hearing

1:40:51at this point.

1:40:58May allow going to clarify that we do need to conduct two

1:41:02separate public hearings, although the staff

1:41:04presentation was on both items.

1:41:07There are two separate public hearings

1:41:09that will be conducting.

1:41:10I am catching up to you right now.

1:41:12So at this time, I'd like to open

1:41:14the public hearing for the East Bay sanitary rates.

1:41:17Any member of the public who wishes to provide comments

1:41:20for this item should use the Raise Hand

1:41:22feature to request to speak.

1:41:36I am not seeing any.

1:41:38Public comments on CNN on the East bay, sanitary rates, so

1:41:46can I get a motion to close our first public hearing

1:41:49on waste rates?

1:41:51But motion by kimoto.

1:41:57I can say my fidele, can we have a roll call vote, please?

1:42:01Mayor limón, yes, mayor Tim fidele, yes, council member,

1:42:05avildsen, yes, council member pardieu akhmadov,

1:42:10yes, council member kintu.

1:42:12Yes, motion carries.

1:42:14Thank you.

1:42:14That causes our public hearing.

1:42:16This is an opportunity for council comments

1:42:18on the East Bay sanitary rates.

1:42:24All right.

1:42:26I have I have a comment, actually, please.

1:42:30You know, I guess the concern I have is

1:42:33that this is a very difficult time that we're in right now.

1:42:38And I am glad to see that it looks like kind of life

1:42:42goes on, at least in this area.

1:42:45And I'd like to thank everyone involved in making that.

1:42:49So because, you know, so many other things

1:42:53have really gone South and it looks

1:42:57like this is relatively stable.

1:43:01So Thanks to everyone for making that.

1:43:03So Excellent and I will echo that,

1:43:09that the fact that we've got to rate stabilization features

1:43:13both at Sycamore and here in ossorio

1:43:17to smooth out some of our rate changes

1:43:19is fantastic at this time.

1:43:23We have a resolution before us.

1:43:25It's the resolution of the city council

1:43:26of the city of ulcerated, establishing

1:43:28maximum allowable rates for the collection, processing

1:43:31and disposal of garbage.

1:43:32A green waste effective January 1.

1:43:352021 Can I get a motion to adopt that resolution on the adoption

1:43:42of that resolution?

1:43:43Excellent I'm looking for that second into of motion by

1:43:48and talking about kimoto.

1:43:49Can we have a roll call vote, please?

1:43:52Mayor limón, yes.

1:43:54Now for Tim fidele, yes, council member Wilson, this council

1:43:59member, pardieu okimoto.

1:44:02Yes, handsome Eric Cantor, yes, motion carries.

1:44:10I'll move on to another open public hearing,

1:44:13so I'm going to open the public hearing

1:44:15for the waste management fees.

1:44:18This is the time that the public who

1:44:20wish to speak about our integrated waste management

1:44:22fees should raise their hand so that we can recognize

1:44:27you and have you speak on the integrated

1:44:30waste management fee is.

1:44:36And we do have one speaker on this item.

1:44:40Robin, maybe a couple speakers, can you

1:44:43confirm the three minutes, I'm sure three

1:44:47minutes seems awkward.

1:44:48Go ahead, Robin.

1:44:50Robin, you are unmediated.

1:44:51And can begin your time.

1:44:52Now for the joy of the room.

1:44:56I'm going to disappoint you and not Robin Williams.

1:44:58How regarde and.

1:45:03I just overheard the conversation about forklifted,

1:45:08and I wasn't planning on speaking about anything,

1:45:11but I wanted to take the opportunity

1:45:14to encourage that purchase to be an electric forklift.

1:45:19I see no reason why that couldn't be

1:45:21accomplished with an electric.

1:45:24Equipment's been around for years.

1:45:25I don't know if the previous one was or not,

1:45:27but I think all the equipment going forward,

1:45:31we need to reduce our fossil fuel vehicle use.

1:45:36So I hope that that will be considered for this purchase.

1:45:42And I appreciate that the rates aren't increasing

1:45:46this much, much this year.

1:45:48But I think we do really need to focus

1:45:51on programs to reduce our.

1:45:55Generation of waste in general, as was mentioned.

1:45:59We can't rely on recycling things like plastics.

1:46:01We need to actually reduce the generation of the waste stream.

1:46:07And just as an example, I was going

1:46:10to mention that it was disappointing to me

1:46:13that the modular buildings going up at Mayfair

1:46:18are being shipped in single use, plastic wrap each module.

1:46:23If you calculate how much material that is.

1:46:27It's like eight to 12 acres of plastic.

1:46:31It's enough to cover San Pablo, curb

1:46:34the curb for more than a mile.

1:46:36So, you know, one of the I think it's great

1:46:40that we're doing modular construction

1:46:41and one of the promises of that is reduced construction waste.

1:46:47And we just really need to make sure

1:46:49that that happens because we're generating

1:46:51a huge amount of plastic waste just from that at one project.

1:46:56So these are the things that we need programs to actually

1:47:01actively reduce or waste and not just worry about paying

1:47:05for the waste we have, but will actually

1:47:08pay a lot less in the future if we can generate

1:47:11less waste going forward.

1:47:13So thank you.

1:47:15Thank you for your comment.

1:47:18Linda Kane, unmute and can begin your time now.

1:47:22Thank you.

1:47:23Well, first of all, I want to say thank you to Howdy Doody

1:47:25for talking about all that plastic,

1:47:27because I've been just worried about toilet paper wrapped

1:47:31in plastic because, of course, we're staying

1:47:33at home using our toilet paper.

1:47:34And I never thought about, oh, it could be wrapped in paper.

1:47:37And then, of course, I listen to the cost of this.

1:47:40And it sounded to me like this is going to be less than $4

1:47:44more per bill, which is every three months, unless my math is

1:47:47too bad, which is possible.

1:47:49So I wasn't going to have a heart attack over that.

1:47:52And then the other thing I it's the cost of processing

1:47:55our trash and recycling.

1:47:57Keep clarifying to the public on what

1:48:00can't go in the recycle bin because as it changes,

1:48:03we get confused.

1:48:04And I remember the last time it changed,

1:48:06I was like making phone calls and calling other people

1:48:09and trying to explain and then trying to remember,

1:48:11you know, and it's like, I just need something simple, not

1:48:13in plastic, but something simple that I can

1:48:16print out and hang on the wall.

1:48:17So I don't put the wrong stuff in the recycle bin.

1:48:19So, yeah, thank you.

1:48:20It's good to know about this.

1:48:23Thank you for that comment.

1:48:25And reminder also, those are both good reminders to us.

1:48:31Any other public comments at this time?

1:48:35Seeing the go ahead, I was just going to say,

1:48:38I don't see any additional hand seeing none.

1:48:41I would love a motion to close the public hearing.

1:48:44Some moved.

1:48:46Second motion by able's and seconded by Purdue okimoto

1:48:50to close the public hearing.

1:48:54Yes, may pretend fidele yes, council member Wilson, yes,

1:48:59council member, petro-canada, yes,

1:49:02council member quintel yes.

1:49:04Motion carries excellent that closes

1:49:07our public hearing on integrated waste management fees.

1:49:10Any comments from the council at this time?

1:49:17All right, I will go ahead and read the resolution.

1:49:21The resolution before us today is the resolution of the city

1:49:24council, the city of fixing and setting

1:49:27the integrated waste management fees effective January 1, 2021.

1:49:32Can I get a motion to adopt of second Ableton motives

1:49:38for shell?

1:49:39Pardieu Okamoto seconds.

1:49:41Can we get a roll call vote, please.

1:49:43Misalignment yes, mayor patan fidele.

1:49:46I can't remember apison.

1:49:48I can't remember petro-canada geth council member kintu.

1:49:53Yes, neshin karith.

1:49:57Right, thank you.

1:49:59That just double checking.

1:50:01That concludes our public hearing 6b

1:50:06regarding SPCA garbage and collection fees

1:50:10and our integrated, which means the so we will now move on

1:50:14to item seven policy matters.

1:50:16We have two matters and policy matters tonight.

1:50:19Seven, a city council policy subcommittee report violations

1:50:23and 7b city manager employment agreement

1:50:27will start with seven a city council,

1:50:30public city council policy subcommittee

1:50:33report recommendations.

1:50:34This is a continuation of a discussion

1:50:37that we started two weeks ago, fairly late at night.

1:50:42And it.

1:50:43It's the culmination of a level of work

1:50:48that the subcommittee did.

1:50:49Paul fidele and myself.

1:50:51We're on a subcommittee to look at some of the policies.

1:50:56Again, I would recommend that the public and council members

1:51:01of existing and future to be read the article that

1:51:05was referenced in the report and attached

1:51:11with regards to ethics at public meetings and good governance.

1:51:18And so that was part of our guiding

1:51:21principles with this effort.

1:51:24And we worked with staff to come up

1:51:27with the recommended changes.

1:51:30Some of the changes include adopting

1:51:34Rosenberg's rules of order.

1:51:37So that's one of the major changes

1:51:40and another one that's in here that's

1:51:45I don't know if we'll get hopefully we'll

1:51:47have some discussion on it was.

1:51:51And this was recommended in the article,

1:51:53is a process for basically admonishing a council member

1:52:02who has acted poorly outside the rules of conduct

1:52:08that we're trying to establish.

1:52:10So that that is the sort of a quick summary for those that

1:52:13work with us two weeks ago.

1:52:16And council materials.

1:52:18And you had some concerns.

1:52:20So we'll just start with you.

1:52:22OK, I have a number of concerns.

1:52:26The I think the main.

1:52:32Well, look at this is that we have a city,

1:52:37we have in our form of government, we have a council

1:52:42and we have a city manager and the city manager is

1:52:46responsible for administering.

1:52:50What goes on in the city.

1:52:52And the council is responsible for making policy,

1:52:56having been on the council.

1:52:58I've seen all kinds of things in terms of performance

1:53:05by council members.

1:53:08And one of them being the mayor.

1:53:11And I'm not talking about the current mayor and anything

1:53:14I might say, by the way, the I mean,

1:53:18there's some stories that I don't even want to tell you.

1:53:25Before for the camera that know, it's not always pleasant.

1:53:33So I think that.

1:53:36And we are the city, you have city

1:53:38manager and city council form of government

1:53:42where we act as a council.

1:53:45So having said that, I'll start in on my comments.

1:53:50We'll try to make them as best as I can.

1:53:52So I just wanted to make sure that we have provisions

1:53:56and whatever we do.

1:53:59For accessibility, it's a thing that I fought for.

1:54:06A long, long time, and I still have to do it.

1:54:12And it's still a big deal, and to be honest,

1:54:16it's an embarrassing hassle to me

1:54:20that I do see things like, for example,

1:54:23the seating of the council.

1:54:28If it's.

1:54:30The if you want to sit on the one that's on the North side,

1:54:34the furthest north, there are stairs there,

1:54:37you can't actually in an emergency,

1:54:40you know, you can't even leave.

1:54:42You're stuck there.

1:54:44And so to actually put into place a system.

1:54:51You know, whereby such things aren't paid attention to.

1:54:55The other thing, I guess, is that we

1:54:57could put a ramp in on that side if it would fit.

1:55:00But, you know, I mean, these are things that bother me.

1:55:04And I like to make sure that that is really taken care of.

1:55:09The other is the part about this article

1:55:15is the font size is so small, I don't know

1:55:18how we're supposed to read it.

1:55:22I don't know.

1:55:23It's probably, I would guess this size, maybe six.

1:55:26It's ridiculous in terms of something we should be reading

1:55:34and that is actually an accessibility thing, which

1:55:38is beyond an accessibility thing,

1:55:40actually, that we start in on the details here.

1:55:47And I'll tell you fast.

1:55:51OK there's something on page.

1:56:0076 of one, 27 to go that I thought

1:56:07would be a real positive step that we could do.

1:56:11And it's at the very bottom.

1:56:14It talks about completing two hours of ethics training

1:56:17and two hours of sexual harassment training.

1:56:20I've had that training elsewhere in a format that I think

1:56:26makes it really first of all, it makes it really useful

1:56:31because you really learn a lot in the format

1:56:33because you learn about what it means in the environment

1:56:37you're actually working in.

1:56:39And that would be to have.

1:56:42Hours, the training, all of our council members

1:56:47and any other staff or any board and commission,

1:56:52whoever it is that needs the training,

1:56:54we could have a big training where we can actually

1:56:56have a discussion about some of the points

1:56:59as it relates to the city of rosarito.

1:57:02And I've had I've been in trainings like that at baat.

1:57:07I've been in trainings like that,

1:57:11I think at the controversy transportation authority.

1:57:15And it really makes a difference when you can have a discussion

1:57:19within the context that you're actually operating in rather

1:57:23than you do it online.

1:57:26And it's like on online.

1:57:28One to me is almost a joke relative to the kind

1:57:33of training we could have.

1:57:34So I would like to see us have a personal personalized training

1:57:41that we would do together.

1:57:43And I think it would be a great way to do it.

1:57:50And it's actually much more pleasant that way, too,

1:57:56and you can actually talk about it.

1:57:58The as have already done.

1:58:07So on page 83 of 127.

1:58:21It under a j, which is adjournment it talks about.

1:58:303 Let's see if the mayor is supposed

1:58:39to ensure that the meeting is adjourned

1:58:41no later than midnight.

1:58:43Well, my concern is that what if.

1:58:47What if we're like it's 10 minutes before midnight.

1:58:50And it takes 20 more minutes, we think?

1:58:53To complete whatever it is.

1:58:57Do we really?

1:59:00When I adjourn anyway.

1:59:04It just seems like it is.

1:59:08It's a boundary that we don't necessarily benefit from.

1:59:13And what I also know is that we hardly I don't even

1:59:18know if you've ever gotten to midnight,

1:59:21we have not remembering there was the time

1:59:27that it was our July meeting.

1:59:29And I wanted to have a 2nd July meeting.

1:59:31And you guys said, no, no, let's keep going.

1:59:33And we went to almost 130 to them when I got home.

1:59:38That had many we had our share.

1:59:42Yes but anyway, the my point is, if there's this this,

1:59:47you know, to put in a finite boundary.

1:59:53So the idea of it's absolute just concerned,

1:59:58I, I, I don't think I'm not sure it's really beneficial,

2:00:02but I think it's better to have and we've got we're already.

2:00:07So we're actually.

2:00:08But what's this is a question.

2:00:13The 11 o'clock.

2:00:17No is replacing the 10, 30 numbers that what's

2:00:20happening here, correct?

2:00:23We've been extending so routinely to 11 that I

2:00:25felt that that was appropriate.

2:00:27And to address your comment, it says should not, must.

2:00:31So the mayor can use their prerogative to extend

2:00:36the meeting if necessary.

2:00:38But I think I mean, I think the message is not for a long time,

2:00:45you know, not for an hour, but, you know,

2:00:49if it takes 15 minutes.

2:00:50Over the boundary, fine.

2:00:53Then on the next one.

2:00:58Page four of 127 am definitions talks about an agenda item

2:01:07being placed on the agenda.

2:01:12And it can be a place, place on the agenda

2:01:14by the mayor, the city manager or any board above that.

2:01:20What about council members?

2:01:26Shouldn't that be.

2:01:28Why did they get left out?

2:01:32Seems like.

2:01:34Is there a reason for that?

2:01:40I don't think we discussed that, so why

2:01:44is it assumed that the city council would talk

2:01:46to the mayor about scheduling?

2:01:50Well, this is implying that they can't.

2:01:54If I may, further down on page 14 of 30 two, I apologize.

2:02:00I have the raw document, not the agenda packet.

2:02:03So on under section and procedure for bringing

2:02:06matters before city council.

2:02:08This no one under that does state

2:02:11that matters for the agenda may be requested by any member

2:02:14of the city council.

2:02:15And would require approval of the mayor for placement

2:02:18on the agenda.

2:02:20So the intent is that if a council

2:02:22member would like an item on the agenda,

2:02:24the mayor would approve it.

2:02:25And then the mayor would direct staff to add that item.

2:02:28The agenda.

2:02:29OK, but still, but it still doesn't explain leaving it off.

2:02:35Under em to me.

2:02:39Well, our current policy, Janet, is

2:02:43that the mayor and the city manager

2:02:44get together and set the agenda.

2:02:47And if you were to ask for something

2:02:50to go on a resolution or something,

2:02:52it is put on based on the availability of time.

2:02:56So that this is just trying to codify our current system.

2:03:01And that's why letter.

2:03:03And as in, Nancy, that was just read,

2:03:06is trying to get in to trying to codify our system.

2:03:10We're not trying to change our current process for getting

2:03:14agenda items on the understanding

2:03:16of our current processes that we can

2:03:19ask that the council members can ask that an agenda item be.

2:03:25That an item be placed on the agenda and then

2:03:29it's up to the mayor.

2:03:31And that means.

2:03:32And I and a city manager to determine when.

2:03:37But this is referring to whether or not they can actually

2:03:43put items on the agenda.

2:03:45That's so it seems to me, that's I think you have to read it

2:03:49in context of letter and number one,

2:03:52requesting that his replacement on the job, on the agenda.

2:03:57I think you have to remember that this

2:03:59requires approval of the mayor.

2:04:02And that is true, that's the current system.

2:04:06Well, I mean, the wind, but the wind does.

2:04:10But this isn't to say that.

2:04:13Actually, I mean, if that were changed,

2:04:20you know, to a separate sentence that

2:04:21said the mayor can be placed on the agenda based

2:04:27on availability of time or.

2:04:31Or whatever you want to say.

2:04:34That's what I want anyway.

2:04:36So an edit to that would be agenda item

2:04:39means an item placed on a specific agenda.

2:04:43Would that help me?

2:04:44Because because what you're talking about is the mayor

2:04:47is choosing which agenda.

2:04:48It goes on.

2:04:50Right, I think that's the way that I think

2:04:51that's our current policy, so agenda item

2:04:55means an item placed on and a specific agenda for vote.

2:05:00By the mayor city council election today,

2:05:05well, I don't know if that's a good example.

2:05:07Today, I asked that an item be put

2:05:09on the agenda regarding appointments

2:05:13to the urban forest committee.

2:05:17Right so that's an example.

2:05:19I ask and use and.

2:05:22And I ask you, actually, I ask a guest

2:05:24if it could be put on the next agenda

2:05:28because there's a timeliness issue, but the end.

2:05:31But you said yes to me, that's what you're saying is,

2:05:34yes to the timing of it, that on the agenda,

2:05:38I think, with council members of all.

2:05:43If I have to request and expect it to happen at some point.

2:05:54So then.

2:06:03See?

2:06:16number five on page 86.

2:06:33So I think it's the same thing.

2:06:39Maybe the future is.

2:06:46So there's a problem on page six, the bottom three and five.

2:06:57It talks about who can make a request for a proclamation,

2:07:03and it's on the next page says.

2:07:08It just says council members don't have the authority

2:07:10to issue proclamations.

2:07:12I don't have a problem with that, but.

2:07:15They do have a.

2:07:18They should have the ability to request it.

2:07:23Of the mayor right now, it doesn't

2:07:27say that you don't think it does under item 1 of that same list.

2:07:34Well, yeah, but it needs to set everywhere,

2:07:36not just in some other place, because if you

2:07:40weren't a person not connected.

2:07:49It talks about what council members in this one, it

2:07:52talks about what council members can't do.

2:07:58But what it needs, it needs to also talk

2:08:00about what they can do, and it keeps leaving

2:08:05the council members out.

2:08:07And this is a document, supposedly

2:08:09a document about the council.

2:08:11So we want to be careful, I think.

2:08:18And so so anyway, then.

2:08:53The do we need to.

2:09:04I was just going to say, if it's mentioned

2:09:06anywhere once, then that makes it valid, doesn't it?

2:09:11I was going to ask, rather than having to say it everywhere.

2:09:15I see what you're saying.

2:09:17But if it said anywhere once, we can point to that as something

2:09:21that allows you to request a proclamation,

2:09:25I think you're right.

2:09:26But the way it needs to be said is,

2:09:28is a way that I often when I tell people what the world who

2:09:32don't really know, what is a council member do or something

2:09:37or what is a city government operate, that.

2:09:42What I always say is we have a council form of government.

2:09:46And if we do.

2:09:47So at the beginning of this document,

2:09:49if we had a statement about that kind of thing once,

2:09:56then that would take care of it.

2:09:58Maybe that's the solution to this, actually.

2:10:03You know, just have a.

2:10:06Introductory section, that talks about what

2:10:09the role of the council members are, what the role of the mayor

2:10:13is urging, that's there within.

2:10:18So where is it?

2:10:23It's in Roman numeral seven, which is

2:10:28on unfortunately, page 9 of 32.

2:10:30I like colly.

2:10:31I don't have the actual I do have

2:10:34the full agenda package here.

2:10:36I think it was not OK, is it.

2:10:48It's page, where does it talk about the role of the council?

2:10:52Yeah, we go.

2:10:58That's about the seating of the.

2:11:02Be I don't see anything that talks

2:11:16about leaving out like in it could be

2:11:27easily inserted in a Rolls of.

2:11:33It could be if it were roles of the mayor, mayor

2:11:35Putin and council members.

2:11:39Then it can be inserted in there quite easily.

2:11:53And and then that would pretty much, you know,

2:11:57that would go a long way towards solving

2:11:59that concern that I have.

2:12:05What do you think?

2:12:07Oh, I'm going to I mean, I it's assumed that we have a city

2:12:11council form of government, but I, I agree with you that it's

2:12:15not clearly stated in here.

2:12:18And that could be a good addition.

2:12:24With regards to the definition of agenda item,

2:12:28we could revamp the definition of agenda item

2:12:32just to make it clear, I think under the rule

2:12:37duties of the mayor, don't we say that they set the agenda?

2:12:45Well, yeah, I I'm not quite clear if there's

2:12:54statement that they should be.

2:13:01I mean, I think it's the way we I it's my understanding

2:13:06of the way we operate.

2:13:07Yes and I think it that would be, you know,

2:13:12to put sort of put.

2:13:17You know, to kind of beef up that introductory section.

2:13:22So that it talks about what the rules, what everybody's roles

2:13:27are on the council and just talking about it from the point

2:13:32of view of roles.

2:13:34Without getting into any of the detail

2:13:38then that solves it through the document, I think.

2:13:42Know so I'm going to go on and finish here.

2:13:57So this wasn't a major rewrite, we've never had that before,

2:14:01the roles written down like that before.

2:14:04That's correct.

2:14:05So, I mean, we added on to what existed.

2:14:09And in my view was what I inherently

2:14:12see in this is that this is any council person can request that

2:14:16of the mayor and the city manager and the mayor decide

2:14:20if and when that gets on the agenda.

2:14:23I think he may have a problem with the f,

2:14:25I think that's yeah, that's never been my understanding.

2:14:28No one is ever.

2:14:29And historically, no one's not people

2:14:33that people can put items on the agenda,

2:14:36but they just may not get it right away.

2:14:40It may be you, you know, whatever amount of time.

2:14:45Because there are other things getting on the agenda

2:14:48to make the.

2:14:53So here.

2:14:54I'm almost done, I think.

2:14:57Thank you for your patience.

2:14:58By the way.

2:15:12Kind of getting into here.

2:15:36Just keep doing.

2:15:38I've got a lot of comments, but I

2:15:40just I think I don't want to wear you out any more

2:15:43than I may maybe already have.

2:15:49So on the time, Muhammad's lawyer.

2:15:56Looks like it's saying there's a 3 minute limit.

2:16:03I'm on page 92 of or if you're just

2:16:09looking at the document number 21 of the so under W

2:16:18time limits.

2:16:20It's talking about.

2:16:23The limits.

2:16:25But it needs to say when it says.

2:16:29Speaker it needs to say, I think, public speaker, because.

2:16:38We're talking about a member of the members of the public.

2:16:43It's what say is that not just each speaker.

2:16:47I'm fine with that, addition, I also holly,

2:16:51I noticed when I was reading this that this section didn't

2:16:55establish the ability to set a total time for public comments

2:17:01like we have been reading in our public comment discussion.

2:17:07We've been talking about the fact

2:17:08that the mayor can set a total time for public comments.

2:17:11That's not in this time limitation section either.

2:17:15So I was just curious about that.

2:17:18So I would agree that this is intended

2:17:21to be three limits for public speakers, but it also

2:17:24that we are intending that the mayor can

2:17:30limit the total public comment period.

2:17:32And that's not stated here.

2:17:35That is correct, and it does it does actually

2:17:38state the latter part of that paragraph states that the mayor

2:17:42is subject to alteration by the council,

2:17:44may establish overall time limits for applicants,

2:17:47appellant's and other speakers at public hearings

2:17:50and set up such other procedures that

2:17:52may facilitate the orderly, and efficient

2:17:54conduct of such hearings.

2:17:57I'm thinking that we haven't stated that we're like,

2:18:02for example, for item three tonight, when I read out,

2:18:05it's I can change the amount of time per person.

2:18:08And I can just publish a total time for item three.

2:18:12And that that total time is not discussed here.

2:18:20And is it good for public, is this time of limitations

2:18:25just for public hearings?

2:18:29One second, let me look a little bit of their.

2:18:37Public hearings, work sessions and public discussion.

2:18:40This is a time limitation, it does refer to public hearings.

2:18:44And I believe it is intended to encompass all public speakers.

2:18:49There is allowances for longer periods of time to speak,

2:18:53when it is a public hearing and the speaker is an appellant

2:18:56or an applicant, but it is intended

2:18:58to cover general public speaking should

2:19:00be limited to three minutes.

2:19:03And then as I mentioned, it does say

2:19:05that the mayor may establish overall time

2:19:08limits for speakers.

2:19:10So that would be that imposition if you wanted

2:19:12to limit public comment to 30 minutes or 15 minutes

2:19:15or whatever it may be.

2:19:17But the intent is that this would

2:19:19cover all public speakers.

2:19:21I couldn't leave.

2:19:22I thought I actually couldn't even

2:19:24tell that, like maybe if it's presented in a different way,

2:19:28that says that.

2:19:34Members of the public may speak for up to three minutes

2:19:41on items not on the agenda and for three minutes on each item

2:19:45on the agenda, then that you can talk

2:19:48about sometimes weight limits because

2:19:50of the number of speakers.

2:19:53That could just be an overall statement about, you know, the.

2:20:00The things you just said, that the total amount of time

2:20:04and the just you could say that, you know,

2:20:08something like so that you can tell

2:20:10that we sometimes it's not three minutes,

2:20:13sometimes it's 1 minute.

2:20:16And then you can say there, then we

2:20:18need a statement that says there are exceptions

2:20:23for planning commission.

2:20:27Hearings are planning.

2:20:34I guess the way to say it is land use

2:20:36hearings for first this, I know it's

2:20:42due to the planning and stuff.

2:20:45I know and I've never noticed it done on anything else.

2:20:48So those each side gets a certain number of minutes.

2:20:54And it's more than three.

2:20:57And then it's the.

2:21:04You know, each of the two sides, do you

2:21:06want to add something, holly?

2:21:10Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

2:21:13I believe I do believe that this election is primarily I'm going

2:21:18to correct my prior statement.

2:21:20That section is primarily related to the process

2:21:22for public hearings because there

2:21:23is quite substantial details further down in the document

2:21:27under oral communications, which starts on page 27 of 30 two,

2:21:32as well as speaker decorum and time limits yielding of time.

2:21:36That is much more of the general rules and procedures

2:21:39that you guys are referring to.

2:21:41The speaker limitation that if there's a large number

2:21:44of persons wishing to speak, that the time

2:21:46may be reduced to accommodate within the available time.

2:21:51But there's an opportunity to speak on the agenda

2:21:53and on not on the agenda that is all detailed

2:21:57further down in the document.

2:21:58So the section that you're referring to, remember,

2:22:00Abelson, is regarding the public hearing

2:22:03process and public hearings that were done first, and then.

2:22:09And then everything else falls into the same category of the 3

2:22:13minutes, which can be reduced.

2:22:16And so if it were organized that way, then it would.

2:22:24The easier to understand.

2:22:28And let's see.

2:22:37So this thing about motion on page 23 of 30

2:22:43to see category c, double C it says.

2:22:53It's well, it's a good practice for a motion

2:22:55to require a second.

2:22:56It is not an absolute requirement.

2:22:59And the mayor can proceed to the I

2:23:02actually think it is a good practice for a motion

2:23:06to require a second.

2:23:08Because that if you can't get a second that says nobody's

2:23:13interested in it, and then they can just move on

2:23:16to a further discussion motion, whatever is going to happen,

2:23:23the way I read that sentence was that if the mayor

2:23:26decides to proceed, the mayor is essentially

2:23:28seconding the motion.

2:23:30Yeah, but to me, my understanding

2:23:32is mayors and governors and mayors can make

2:23:36and second motions.

2:23:37Yes, they can.

2:23:39Then what?

2:23:40Then it's again, taking away from the council

2:23:44that the mayor should have the same rights

2:23:47as any council member.

2:23:50Just because I'm sitting in the Senate seat doesn't mean,

2:23:53I shouldn't be able to second emotion.

2:23:55Don't normally, I go to a lot of meetings and.

2:24:01They don't the ones who appear organized.

2:24:05Do not have the mayor do that, so it's.

2:24:16And anyway, that's my thought, and that certainly

2:24:21is a change in how we operate.

2:24:26They have gone through it all.

2:24:28If I may just add that is in line

2:24:31with the parliamentary procedure language for rozenberg,

2:24:35full of order.

2:24:36It is not, which is the change.

2:24:39One of the changes that is being recommended

2:24:41is to adopt the order.

2:24:44And it does not mean that you have to exercise that option,

2:24:47but that is where that language came from.

2:24:51OK, but it is a shame.

2:24:53It certainly is a change from the way we operate.

2:24:56And it.

2:25:00It just hasn't been used, and even

2:25:04if the mayor seconded, then.

2:25:09The mayor has no choice.

2:25:11It's a if you don't, it's basically

2:25:15saying you don't need a second is saying that the mayor is

2:25:20saying, yeah, if I can.

2:25:23I mean, there's not a lot of power for the mayor.

2:25:26And this whole document, quite frankly, and I

2:25:29think this would take away something

2:25:31that the mayor has a right to do to say, I want this to proceed.

2:25:36I want a second.

2:25:38I mean, it's how I see it.

2:25:42I mean, it hasn't been used a lot,

2:25:43but the mayor wants to proceed then that ultimately,

2:25:46the vote will happen.

2:25:49And it can lose.

2:25:50If there's not support, there is likely to lose

2:25:53because that's what going next.

2:25:55Find the anyway, the I don't know how you can say the mayor

2:26:01doesn't have a lot of power because.

2:26:04Well, there's not a lot of that.

2:26:10But the idea, the purpose of the document isn't to give.

2:26:15This is not a power thing, it's not.

2:26:18I'm just saying you're.

2:26:21I didn't say there should be.

2:26:22I'm just saying that that's taking away something

2:26:25that the mayor had as a second.

2:26:28The ability to second something.

2:26:34Anyway, those comments, oh, I was

2:26:38going to say, Janet, your main concern at the last meeting

2:26:41was about the process of the mayor, the next mayor.

2:26:45Have you have you resolved yourself

2:26:47about that in the document that I saw here to different?

2:26:52It looked to me like it was continuing

2:26:56the same way that we have now.

2:26:58Et cetera it.

2:27:01There was no I was just going to say there is no modification

2:27:07between the versions that were provided at the last meeting

2:27:10in this meeting.

2:27:12So there is that additional line where in the process

2:27:17that is different than our current adopted practice.

2:27:20What are you talking about?

2:27:25That's someone who gets less votes.

2:27:28But has not served mayor would be mayor,

2:27:31would be preference to be a mayor prior to somebody who has

2:27:35been mayor and got more votes.

2:27:40It's a preference, it's not a mandatory.

2:27:43It's just as I. Seeing things happen on our council, not

2:27:50when I was on it, but where.

2:27:55People don't operate.

2:27:57They didn't operate according to.

2:28:00They use the.

2:28:04The thing where they didn't pick the person

2:28:06who should have been picked and it doesn't go over well, the.

2:28:14I've seen I mean, I've seen a lot of councils, I think I can

2:28:21I've seen them back to maybe the 70s.

2:28:26Which was before my time, but I did see some things that the.

2:28:34The order of the.

2:28:38Mayor I thought this document said maybe I didn't

2:28:44read it right, because I was.

2:28:48I just read it right, but what I thought I read

2:28:50is that the person.

2:28:56It's like the order of their cycle through each election,

2:29:01correct?

2:29:02That's correct.

2:29:03Oh, that's correct.

2:29:04OK, that is correct.

2:29:06However, if there's within a cycle.

2:29:09Yeah, preference will be given to the within a cycle,

2:29:14so within the current cycle where it's Paul, tesa and Lisa,

2:29:21preference will be given to those who

2:29:22have not yet served as mayor.

2:29:25That's that's the.

2:29:28OK, so if we were talking about.

2:29:37So it does cycle through the election.

2:29:41I'm not sure I can tell that from this,

2:29:43but it cycles through the each election, right?

2:29:49Correct OK, and then that.

2:29:52How does that.

2:29:55So within those people, which could be up,

2:30:03let's say, I don't know as much as five, but I think it can

2:30:06I think I'm sure it can actually.

2:30:09Then you're saying that the person who got the least

2:30:11amount of votes is members?

2:30:16No, we're saying it in the scenario

2:30:20where Paul has been mayor.

2:30:24So some point in the future when Paul has been mayor

2:30:28and say Lisa and Tessa haven't been married yet,

2:30:33then Tessa would be mayor before Paul is Mayor again.

2:30:39Well I'm not sure what the actual order came out in

2:30:51the vote was, Lisa, Paul, tesa.

2:30:58And you're saying that the way it is now

2:31:00that Paul would do it before.

2:31:04Right, he will be he will be mayor next, ideally,

2:31:09we don't know, because the election hasn't occurred yet,

2:31:13but under our rotation rules, because he's mayor pro tem,

2:31:18he would be mayor as a result of the 2016 election.

2:31:23Right right.

2:31:24So then when all things happen.

2:31:27And we're now looking at the 2020 election,

2:31:30he's already been mayor.

2:31:31He was the second vote getter, but he's already been mayor.

2:31:34And so the preference would be that tesa

2:31:37would be mayor, pro tem and Mayor prior to Paul.

2:31:42That's a preference.

2:31:43It's not a mandatory.

2:31:44It's just a preference.

2:31:49So I guess I don't understand that preference.

2:31:53It seems to me, it would be.

2:32:00I personally, I don't know, I just prefer to leave

2:32:04it the way it is, because it's.

2:32:08I'm thinking of other elections and other books and the person

2:32:16who is last in the cycle unless they run again for election,

2:32:23may not be around to have do it at all.

2:32:27So I'm having a little trouble saying

2:32:32that, saying it in a nice way.

2:32:34But the thing I would prefer to have

2:32:38the person who more people thought

2:32:46the voters thought they liked.

2:32:51Be the one who gets it, because number 5 May not get it.

2:32:57I know it's, you know, the.

2:33:02Now, I understand what you're saying.

2:33:04So, yeah, you made this very clear two weeks ago.

2:33:10And I certainly advocated then that I feel that a council

2:33:13member is a much better contributor after they've

2:33:16sat in the center seat.

2:33:17Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this matter.

2:33:22Are there any other comments, janet?

2:33:25No OK, anybody else have made me go on.

2:33:30Does anybody else have any comments?

2:33:33I have to call the question.

2:33:35Sure if I may offer two quick changes

2:33:39to address some of the comments that Councilman rabson

2:33:43made, if I may.

2:33:45So one would be and I'll give everybody time

2:33:49to get to letter Amazon, Mary.

2:33:52I I'll get there as.

2:33:57And it's the definition of agenda item in letter m,

2:34:05as in Mary.

2:34:11It would be to strike in the second line,

2:34:17strike by the mayor, the city manager or any board commission

2:34:20committee created by the council or any report of information

2:34:25may be acted upon if approved by the mayor.

2:34:28So in essence, an agenda item means

2:34:30an item placed on the agenda for a vote

2:34:32by the city council period.

2:34:35And that would be the definition of an agenda item,

2:34:38we already define how it's put on later in this document.

2:34:42And the other recommendation I would make is for the letter w,

2:34:46the title letter W would be to add for public hearings.

2:34:53Letter q is where public comment is discussed.

2:34:57And so the letter W is specific to public hearings.

2:35:02So I think that that should be time limitations

2:35:04for public hearings.

2:35:08So that that would be the two things

2:35:10I would recommend to the document tonight.

2:35:16Michelle, I really only have one question

2:35:22I'd really like to be able to ask my one question,

2:35:25please do say things.

2:35:27So it is age 81 and it is the quest for technical assistance

2:35:41and/or reports.

2:35:44And my point is, because I feel like this has been

2:35:51like a sticking point for me.

2:35:53And I think probably for maybe some other council members.

2:35:58And some of the criticism we get is

2:36:00that we don't move things along well

2:36:04enough or in a timely fashion.

2:36:08So one of the things that I found

2:36:11is that occasionally I'll request information.

2:36:13And then that information will get back to me, that clearly it

2:36:16states that we'll know that the city manager does

2:36:20not have to follow the direction of any just one council member.

2:36:24She needs the direction from three.

2:36:27But then we have that conundrum that we're always

2:36:30in is the three of us are supposed

2:36:31to get together and have a big talk about what could

2:36:36potentially be an agenda item.

2:36:38So at what point in the meeting.

2:36:43Do ask our colleagues for a vote or request on something

2:36:47that we would like in terms of information?

2:36:52So the need to be an actual agenda item or could it

2:36:56be like during our comment saying a straw

2:36:59poll from the council members will be all

2:37:01like this same information be to be something

2:37:05that the staff looks into?

2:37:07Like where is the point where we have

2:37:09that moment to get whatever it is we're looking for?

2:37:17Up to two other changes that I want to make,

2:37:21I would I'm looking for the agenda.

2:37:29One of the things that I've seen in other city councils

2:37:33is a future agenda item of item, and it's

2:37:40under that future agenda items that you

2:37:42would say, hey, I'm looking for more information on this.

2:37:46Can we?

2:37:47Because because in theory, even if a majority

2:37:51come to conclusion to give direction,

2:37:53it's not been on the agenda before.

2:37:55It's a Brown Act violation for us not to tell the public

2:37:58what we're about to talk about.

2:38:00So even that's the task of asking for some more

2:38:02information, more technical information

2:38:04if it's not on the agenda, because I'm

2:38:06interpreting your question to be about something

2:38:10that's not on the agenda.

2:38:12Right so, for example, if I wanted a report on the salaries

2:38:20of all of our city management in to other cities, something

2:38:26like that, if I requested that, then know where do I put that?

2:38:33Is it an agenda item?

2:38:34Is it something I just have I'm not sure where it fits into.

2:38:41Does it need to be an agenda item?

2:38:45Correct Mr mayor, last two weeks ago,

2:38:48you did this on the rec department suggestion

2:38:51that you took a straw poll and the council

2:38:55said that's all we really needed to do

2:38:57at that time to ask the city manager for this to happen.

2:39:02So maybe with the differences, that was within an agenda item.

2:39:07So I'm troubleshooting a request for something that's

2:39:11not published agenda item.

2:39:13So you can definitely ask for it with Michelle

2:39:17within an existing agenda item, whether it's an agenda item

2:39:20about, let's say let's say, for example, we

2:39:24had a parking study, the presentation a decade

2:39:30ago from the Dr. shoop.

2:39:34As a result of that, you could say, well,

2:39:36I would like to go something something

2:39:38I'd like to have to do this.

2:39:40And if everybody agrees with you,

2:39:41staff is now basically given direction to do that.

2:39:44So so I think within an agenda item, it's not a question.

2:39:47I think it's a question when there's nothing on the agenda

2:39:50about parking and you want to start initiating a parking

2:39:57study around the plaza, that the asking of that task,

2:40:05I'm concerned that it would need to be

2:40:07under a generic future agenda item or future task,

2:40:13because it's certainly the only other place I can think of it

2:40:16is under kelsall communications item two,

2:40:19which is where you can ask.

2:40:22It makes council communications is

2:40:25I would like to have this city manager do this,

2:40:29but even then, I don't think we can take action.

2:40:32I just did it today, but in the form

2:40:36of asking it to be on the agenda next time,

2:40:40but but letter E is very specific about getting

2:40:43a vote of three people.

2:40:45So that's my.

2:40:47That's that I'm reading letter E and it's getting

2:40:50a vote of three people, and any time you take a vote,

2:40:53it should be an agenda matter or under an agenda is a matter.

2:40:58I maybe I'm on the wrong one, but I

2:41:06think one of your documents, maybe one of them,

2:41:10so what I'm hearing the future council

2:41:14members is listening or current council members

2:41:17that would like to do more stuff that basically,

2:41:22we should approach.

2:41:23Maybe the mayor and say, hey, this because you can talk

2:41:27to one person about something that you're interested in

2:41:30and say, I would like to have this task assigned

2:41:34to the city manager and staff.

2:41:36Can we put it on the agenda?

2:41:40That's about it.

2:41:42Mr mayor, if I may, I just want to make sure that this is

2:41:46and the function for this is, first of all, clarification

2:41:49as far as direction to staff.

2:41:51We want to make sure that if we're going to undertake

2:41:55something that would take a lot of resources

2:41:57that we know that we want to make sure that it is indeed

2:42:00the direction of the council and not just

2:42:02one council member who may have an agenda or whatever.

2:42:05So that is behind that.

2:42:07But I understand D know what you and I have talked about this

2:42:11before is, how are you able to get information

2:42:15and how is it appropriately done?

2:42:17So I just wanted to make sure that for the public's

2:42:20edification and that it's clear that the staff has to make

2:42:25sure they're taking direction from a majority of the city

2:42:28council.

2:42:28And not just one council member.

2:42:34So so, holly, I'm looking at now I'm looking at item peers

2:42:39and Peter or Paul, whichever one you want to take,

2:42:43that is the agenda sequence of order of business.

2:42:50And I'm just wondering if there is in Jordan,

2:42:56you're on to help us with potentially

2:42:58these types of conflict.

2:43:02If there was a future agenda item between number 9.

2:43:07And number 10.

2:43:09Is that a place where we can take up.

2:43:14It's something that's not on the agenda,

2:43:16but we want to get additional information about something

2:43:18this item where we want to give direction to give counsel

2:43:23more technical assistance.

2:43:26So, Jordan, I don't know if you're prepared to answer

2:43:28that question.

2:43:30Yes, your honor.

2:43:31Thank you.

2:43:32Good evening.

2:43:32The Arab members of city council,

2:43:35Jordan bishop, your assistant city attorney,

2:43:38just did want to clarify that under the Brown

2:43:40Act before the council or a council member,

2:43:44you ask for something to be on a future agenda item,

2:43:47as long as you refrain from taking action or having

2:43:50a discussion on that item.

2:43:51And you can certainly designate a place on your agenda

2:43:55where you like those requests to be made.

2:43:57A council member can also make that request.

2:44:01And in their introductory comments.

2:44:06So similar to how Mrs. Wilson did it tonight during the.

2:44:15Not in this, it's not even their staff communications is where

2:44:21council communications is, where somebody could say

2:44:23on a future agenda, I would like to see this,

2:44:27and then everybody might be nodding their heads.

2:44:29But as long as we're not taking action to give direction,

2:44:32it's fine.

2:44:34That's Chris.

2:44:37But in any one meeting, there's no way

2:44:40for us to give direction on something that

2:44:42was not specifically published.

2:44:48I'm sorry, could you?

2:44:50I think I've got it under a generic,

2:44:57there is no way to put a generic agenda item on that would allow

2:45:01us to take action pursuant to letter E on something

2:45:07that was not on the agenda.

2:45:11That's correct, Yeah.

2:45:13OK, so you are 100% correct either through your like

2:45:20Janet did tonight through council communications

2:45:22or through prior communications to the mayor before the know,

2:45:26during the agenda setting process.

2:45:29Council members need to say, hey,

2:45:31I want to explore getting more information about.

2:45:34And I'm going to continue to use parking

2:45:35around plazas as an example.

2:45:39I want to get more information about parking around Plaza.

2:45:42Can you please put that on the agenda

2:45:44for the purposes of giving direction to staff.

2:45:48So that.

2:45:51I just I apologize for interrupting,

2:45:53I just wanted to clarify that you could take a vote

2:45:55to put it on a future agenda.

2:45:57You could take that.

2:45:59But that's that in itself is not letter E as in Edward.

2:46:09That we're looking at, so we're sure if that answered

2:46:14your question, it does.

2:46:15Thank you, Gabe.

2:46:18I saw your hand up.

2:46:19Thank you.

2:46:19May I just have one quick question?

2:46:22When it comes to announcements now,

2:46:27is there a difference with announcements and letting folks

2:46:32know about regional boards?

2:46:35That I would like to have the regional boards

2:46:39report at the end of the meeting instead of the beginning

2:46:42of the meeting, because we have a room full of people that

2:46:46would like to get to the meat and potatoes

2:46:48that we need to deal with that.

2:46:52And it just at times takes a long time.

2:46:58And I find it hard work and that our audience as well, who

2:47:06are watching this online, I'm hoping that we could

2:47:11look at that in the future.

2:47:13And because in the latter part of our agenda,

2:47:17we do have reports on the other side.

2:47:24So is it either or can we have just

2:47:30that at the end of the meeting.

2:47:32And so have announcements as city announcements.

2:47:36So I'll direct you to the letter.

2:47:38And Paul again on page 18 of 30 two,

2:47:43OK, and of under three, which is preliminary matters,

2:47:47ceremonial reports of closed session city council

2:47:50and city staff communications.

2:47:53What what you would like to do is, is clarify that those city

2:47:57council communications are much more of the announcement type

2:48:00that you're looking for.

2:48:01And then under 9 and potentially we can do this

2:48:04by adding something to nine city council assignments

2:48:08is our assignment to anything, whether it's regional,

2:48:16regional, the regional waste authority or whiteaker CET.

2:48:22So so in essence, our report outs are for certain things

2:48:27are supposed to be there.

2:48:28That said, if there are things that you learned at the League

2:48:34of California cities conference that you

2:48:36think everybody should hear, those

2:48:39would be up under item three.

2:48:40And and, you know, the know, the votes that were taken,

2:48:45the results that were out there that are,

2:48:49as you say, much more of the nuts and bolts report out,

2:48:54the AP went one, two, three, four report outs

2:48:57should be done probably under item nine.

2:48:59OK, thank you.

2:49:01So I don't know if additional language

2:49:05needs to be added to item nine to get that clarity.

2:49:09So if you have a suggestion.

2:49:11Certainly I would.

2:49:13I mean, if.

2:49:15I don't know if maybe one, two, three,

2:49:16four should be added to maybe one, two, three, four

2:49:19should be added to number nine.

2:49:23Regional leaders on assignments have always

2:49:25been at the end of our meetings, and they're listed today

2:49:28at the end of our meeting.

2:49:30I was worried that there's no one left in the council

2:49:33to hear what we have on those meetings

2:49:35that some time are important.

2:49:37But, Greg, you're saying if it is important,

2:49:39we can bring it up to the front of the meeting, so.

2:49:41OK OK, thank you.

2:49:46So before you call the question, I know you'd called it,

2:49:49but you didn't get a second.

2:49:50And I didn't second it, but I did make two changes.

2:49:54I want to make sure.

2:49:55One other thing.

2:49:55So in that same location where we have pledge of allegiance,

2:49:59we did as a council agree to add or a moment of silence.

2:50:05The pledge of Allegiance appears twice in the document

2:50:07and/or a moment of silence does not appear in either one

2:50:10of those locations.

2:50:12And so I would like to include or a moment of silence

2:50:16in both of those locations.

2:50:19So that there would be changes 3 and 4 to the document

2:50:26as it's currently written.

2:50:28Any other suggested changes?

2:50:33I and we're going to have same time for comments.

2:50:37We're going to go to public comment

2:50:39because we have not taken public comment on this item.

2:50:41So if your comment is if you got a question, Paul, that's great.

2:50:45If you've got a comment, you might

2:50:46want to reserve it till after we hear any public comment.

2:50:49I just had a question.

2:50:51The last time we talked about this,

2:50:53I did bring up there is a point about leia's on assignments

2:50:58and that there was some additional information

2:51:01that I know, Mr mayor, you've been

2:51:02involved with somewhere else.

2:51:04And our ordnance code, and I've mentioned this

2:51:07to the city manager that talks about how assign

2:51:11council members to those liaison as liaisons

2:51:15to conduct themselves.

2:51:16And I thought that that should be brought

2:51:18and put into this document.

2:51:20So I'll just leave that at that city manager,

2:51:24because that is going to be added into the training manuals

2:51:27that it's going to go out to all council members.

2:51:30It is.

2:51:31And we can certainly add that resolution is

2:51:35or holly, I think could help.

2:51:38And I talked about how we could make some sort

2:51:40of note of that in this.

2:51:42I guess the well, first thing this the new council member

2:51:47orientation guy that we put together

2:51:49does have a section regarding liaisons to boards,

2:51:53commissions and committees.

2:51:54And it does refer to the standalone resolution

2:51:56that you're referring to, council member

2:51:58for that or mayor fidele.

2:52:00And then we had discussed potentially, if you would like,

2:52:02reference in this particular document

2:52:05that perhaps the best place to include that would be on page

2:52:099 of 32 under the duties of the mayor and Mayor pro tem,

2:52:14that perhaps we could add language such as liaison

2:52:18assignments include appointment of a council member

2:52:22to each board commissioning committee,

2:52:24and that council liaison shall conduct

2:52:26the business in accordance with resolution, the resolution

2:52:30and scip, the number and the title of the resolution,

2:52:34which I actually.

2:52:37And I just thought it might be, is that duties of Mayor.

2:52:42And then, yeah, I would put it under duties

2:52:46of council members, the duties of council members.

2:52:49There's a section about assignments.

2:52:50And it's just adding that under that.

2:52:52So and that's on page eight of 1, 2 seven.

2:52:56Can you tell me what page of 30 to that is.

2:52:599/9/32 So under duties of council members.

2:53:04And it would probably go as the last paragraph

2:53:06in under a OK under.

2:53:11Yes OK, that's where that is where.

2:53:15That is all he was recommending it.

2:53:17OK, could you have it up on the screen.

2:53:22Yes solely so because this would be

2:53:25change number 5 to the written to the government.

2:53:32And can I confirm that this would be the final paragraph

2:53:36or where I have this sorry, where

2:53:42have it is after city council leaves

2:53:45and assignments are traditionally

2:53:46made at the second meeting in December by the er,

2:53:49then I, I would propose we put the language there

2:53:53because it ties in to the liaison assignment

2:53:55for the advisory bodies.

2:53:57I shown up on the screen.

2:54:01I defer to Mr fidele.

2:54:05I just thought it was logical on pay on its screen.

2:54:10Paul, can you look at the seething city council?

2:54:16Yeah where you have.

2:54:20That looks fine to you, you're going to insert

2:54:22the actual language of that.

2:54:26That's the paragraph where she's proposing

2:54:28is that paragraph that makes a cross reference

2:54:30to resolution 2013 68.

2:54:33So is that a long as they go along, there's a resolution.

2:54:36It just is another policy.

2:54:38OK, I just think it might be nice just

2:54:41to have that paragraph about what it says.

2:54:43I mean, if this is.

2:54:44Oh, yes, it is.

2:54:45Landel un resolution is substantially long.

2:54:48Yes, it's longer.

2:54:50Nine pages, maybe.

2:54:51OK All right.

2:54:53Thank you.

2:54:59You no other questions, we will take a public comment

2:55:04at this time, I see Miss Rudnick or is

2:55:06there any other public comment?

2:55:07I see Miss Mitchell or maybe that's not special, but it's.

2:55:12I see three hands, we'll do three minutes.

2:55:25I included where you were and we didn't even

2:55:28begin your time now.

2:55:29Excellent Hi.

2:55:30Thanks, everyone.

2:55:32We appreciate that you guys put in.

2:55:35So much work into this.

2:55:38And an on boarding council member.

2:55:41I really appreciate that.

2:55:44There is language and structure also that the language itself

2:55:48is valuable.

2:55:50I appreciated that there was that effort put in.

2:55:55So just wanted to take a quick moment absorbing it all in

2:55:58and to publicly say thank you for doing this work.

2:56:01And I believe that this will leave a legacy for you.

2:56:06Greg nonalignment.

2:56:08And I appreciate all that that's been done.

2:56:11Thank you.

2:56:12Thank you.

2:56:14The next speaker is Howdy Doody.

2:56:18Thank you.

2:56:19Yes, this is how to get rid of.

2:56:23So I didn't have a chance to read through all this document.

2:56:27So I'm just going off of comments.

2:56:30I heard discussed.

2:56:32And one thing I wanted to remark on was, you know,

2:56:35the meeting and time.

2:56:38And I know it's hard.

2:56:39A lot of these topics.

2:56:41Go really long, and it's hard to cut off the meeting.

2:56:44But I think there really needs to be a recognition that it's

2:56:47just a de facto disincentive to public participation for these

2:56:52meetings to go a really long.

2:56:54And there should be more effort to actually, I mean,

2:56:58put it off earlier than the midnight

2:57:01and be more disciplined about setting

2:57:06an agenda that can be completed in 3 or four hours

2:57:10instead of going longer.

2:57:12And that means scheduling more meetings.

2:57:15And I think if you look back at your schedule

2:57:18from the number of meetings that you're

2:57:23typically scheduled to have, there's

2:57:26often some that get omitted.

2:57:30So, I mean, having the full suite of meetings

2:57:33and even scheduling special meetings as needed,

2:57:35I think would be a much more respectful practice

2:57:40for public participation than allowing the meetings

2:57:43to go as long as they can go.

2:57:47So I just hope that that would be taken into consideration.

2:57:52If not written into this document, but to really

2:57:55make an effort to change that.

2:57:59And I did like the discussion about having an open agenda

2:58:04standing agenda item for future agenda items, because I think

2:58:08would again, open that part of the council's function

2:58:13to the public more to allow them to see council members

2:58:16recommending things and voting on them

2:58:19and discussing the things that they want on the agenda,

2:58:23rather than just seeing them show up on agendas.

2:58:27I think that part of the council's function

2:58:29should be open to the public, and I would

2:58:32recommend that you do that.

2:58:33So thank you.

2:58:35Thank you very much.

2:58:36And next, speaker, please.

2:58:38The next speaker is sherry drobny,

2:58:40share your unmediated can begin your time now.

2:58:42OK, great, Thanks.

2:58:43Hi yeah, I found this to be interesting as a discussion.

2:58:49And I hadn't realized the problem.

2:58:54The problematic area of trying to get items on the agenda.

2:58:59The organizational chart, I think

2:59:01puts the residents at the top.

2:59:03And then there's the city council and the rest

2:59:05of the city administration.

2:59:07And the council does represent, I suppose,

2:59:12supposedly represents the voice of the people.

2:59:14So it seems to me, I would agree with what Harry said

2:59:17and the direction that it seems to be

2:59:19going that you would have.

2:59:23The ability for council people to be

2:59:26able to put items on the agenda and get information.

2:59:31I think that was the other issue that seems a little difficult.

2:59:36I know that if I were to directly as a citizen, right

2:59:40to the city manager and ask for information, whether I would

2:59:44get the response back might be questionable, given the fact

2:59:49that there's 25,000 residents.

2:59:53However, you know, when we do talk to her,

2:59:56we expect our city council to be able to make decisions

3:00:00and have information they need.

3:00:01And some of I feel some people, including myself,

3:00:05feel like part of the problem has been on some of the issues

3:00:09is not having information.

3:00:11And so when council member hardworking

3:00:17was discussing this item, it made me think

3:00:20about how difficult it must be.

3:00:22If you're trying to make these kinds of decisions.

3:00:25And you can't directly just ask city staff for not anything

3:00:33particular, but you're asking for information.

3:00:35And if it's equated as taking direction

3:00:39when you're just asking for information, it seems to be.

3:00:44A problem, so it feels to me like there should be more

3:00:48ease and accessibility for council members

3:00:50to get information from city staff

3:00:53about what they need without it being so elaborate.

3:00:58Thank you.

3:01:01Great, thank you.

3:01:01And our last speaker.

3:01:05Have actually two more speakers, the next speaker

3:01:07is Linda came when they were meeting to begin your time.

3:01:12Thank you so much.

3:01:13And to address you all again.

3:01:15And I appreciate the chance.

3:01:16I agree with the person before the previous woman

3:01:19who said it would be more considerate to the public

3:01:23if the meetings did not go.

3:01:24So long.

3:01:25And I'm thinking, oh, thank goodness.

3:01:27I'm home in my kitchen, because as I get so tired of listening

3:01:30to a long and very detailed discussion about procedures,

3:01:34I can go off and do something else

3:01:36in my house, which is how I almost

3:01:37missed this conversation part.

3:01:40I think it must be very hard to make good decisions.

3:01:42So late at night, especially if you have a day job.

3:01:46It shouldn't be such a long night.

3:01:49If I was to ever want to be on the city council, which

3:01:52I don't, it would be prohibitive knowing that I might frequently

3:01:56be going to 11 PM or maybe 12 PM or maybe 12, 15 PM

3:02:01from based on previous conversations tonight.

3:02:05So I think it's really hard on you and hard on us.

3:02:09So I don't know how it could be done.

3:02:11Maybe like this could have the discussion of the procedures,

3:02:14could have been a special meeting like the five 30

3:02:18meeting, you're going to have in two weeks.

3:02:20The other thing is what the person said

3:02:22about the public accessing and like I, I found it difficult.

3:02:27And I'm good with zoome, but I'm not good with Webex.

3:02:30The person who said it needs to be more accessible, sort of.

3:02:35I feel like there needs to be more info

3:02:37and how to clearly and easily participate in the Webex

3:02:41meeting, even if you're an old person who hasn't done

3:02:44a lot of Zoom or because a lot of old people

3:02:47are afraid to come to clubs that we belong to that are now

3:02:50online or it's too much hassle, or they're afraid to be hacked.

3:02:54So we need to make it friendly to everybody

3:02:56so that we can all show up.

3:02:57And of course, I have no idea how many of us

3:03:00are here tonight.

3:03:02I'm often curious, but but I don't think she used to come

3:03:06to the real public meeting.

3:03:07And I realized we're doing the best we can with covid, but.

3:03:10You know, it's a long night, I don't know how you guys do.

3:03:14Thank you.

3:03:15Thank you for that comment.

3:03:16And to be accurate or to let you know,

3:03:18we actually are getting more participation as a result

3:03:21of the virtual meetings.

3:03:23So we're having greater attendance.

3:03:26And now we'll go to our last speaker.

3:03:32I like our speakers, poppy, you can begin your time now, poppy.

3:03:37Thanks so much.

3:03:38Just following up with, I guess, piggybacking

3:03:41on Cheri's question after rashelle asked her question

3:03:46about what's the best, most efficient way to actually

3:03:50channel these requests for information through the city

3:03:53council and to city management?

3:03:56Because it seems.

3:04:00That event, even with a pretty direct question

3:04:02from a city council member, there wasn't a really

3:04:05straightforward answer.

3:04:06So I'd like to hear that maybe revisited

3:04:10and have just something.

3:04:13Clarified for members of the city

3:04:18who to want to raise concerns.

3:04:21That's really great, I'll be all over all attempt

3:04:25to address that, and Jordan bishop can correct me

3:04:29if I get it wrong because the brown act, the city council,

3:04:32is prevented from taking action on something that has not been

3:04:36published on the agenda and therefore,

3:04:39to ask for information from the city council,

3:04:43from the city manager, it needs to be a majority of the city

3:04:47council given the direction.

3:04:49And in order for the majority of the city council

3:04:51to give direction, it needs to be on the agenda.

3:04:53There are two ways that a council member

3:04:56can get it on the agenda.

3:04:58One is during council communications.

3:05:05Early in the meeting, they can ask for something

3:05:07to be put on a future agenda.

3:05:09And my understanding is that we can, as a council

3:05:12vote as to whether or not we want that on a future agenda.

3:05:16It is not direction to staff.

3:05:17It is just direction to put it on council

3:05:21on to a future agenda.

3:05:24A second way would be for the council member

3:05:28to directly communicate with the mayor and say, hey,

3:05:32can you put this on a future meeting?

3:05:35So those are the two ways that a council member can

3:05:40get something on the agenda.

3:05:41And it must be on the agenda for us

3:05:43to reach consensus, to give direction

3:05:45to staff, to take action.

3:05:51Jordan's doxxing, Jordan's not jumping in,

3:05:54so they must have gotten it right.

3:05:58If Jordan approves, then.

3:06:01Sounds good.

3:06:02Thanks, poppy.

3:06:03Thanks I'm going to bring it back to the dyas for comment.

3:06:09And I see Paul has his finger up.

3:06:13I was just wondering, before I make a closing comment,

3:06:17is there any way with Holly that we can have some language

3:06:20somewhere in the introduction about having

3:06:23an expeditious meeting and trying to get

3:06:26through it in a timely manner?

3:06:30So that is a goal of the council.

3:06:33And we do have limits as to how late it

3:06:35could be a controversial issue.

3:06:37And we have to work till 11.

3:06:39But if we can schedule things in a way

3:06:41that allows more public input, that would be advantageous,

3:06:45I think.

3:06:48That makes sense.

3:06:55Now, is there specific language or placement that you're

3:06:59recommending is part of.

3:07:01I don't I don't know.

3:07:02Now in front of me, but just somewhere that it's logical

3:07:05that we would talk about the maybe

3:07:07it's in the place where we talk about time,

3:07:09timeliness and the time limits.

3:07:12That is the goal of the council to have an expeditious meeting

3:07:16that, you know, avails itself to residents in a timely fashion.

3:07:20Just a general statement.

3:07:24Perhaps under the adjournment section

3:07:26where it has the city council meeting

3:07:29shall continue past the o'clock, and the mayor

3:07:33should ensure that the meeting is adjourned

3:07:34no later than midnight.

3:07:36And and then perhaps we could include, at the end of that

3:07:41that paragraph that the city council will

3:07:45strive to be if there's some language to suggest.

3:07:53So, holly, we have a German actually

3:07:55discussed in two locations, both under letter and under letter

3:07:59jr. and under letter GE.

3:08:02It's really clear.

3:08:06To what you're saying, Mr fidele?

3:08:14And it also addresses Councilor Wilson's weight,

3:08:19if we only need 15 more minutes, can we extend?

3:08:23So I'm just curious if letter is necessary.

3:08:37I'll leave it to the city clerk to see where

3:08:42the best place is for that, as long as that viewpoint

3:08:46is registered.

3:08:47Holly, can you bring up the language of letter G.

3:08:52It's on page 20 to 30 to certainly.

3:08:56And I do actually believe that is a complete,

3:08:59it's almost the exact language, but gggi

3:09:01does have a decent and a small amount

3:09:04of additional information.

3:09:06So perhaps we can take one section

3:09:08out and just leave the other.

3:09:10And that's why I just googled up 11 o'clock

3:09:15and found it was in four places.

3:09:16And I thought that was odd to.

3:09:26There you go.

3:09:27The only difference, I believe, is

3:09:29this the latter part of the first paragraph where it states

3:09:32extension of a meeting to finish ongoing business

3:09:35shall require a motion to suspend city council

3:09:37policy to a time, certain and vote by majority

3:09:40vote of the city council.

3:09:42This is a little bit more detailed in this section.

3:09:44Section regarding adjournment in the prior section is.

3:09:48But the prior section is fully encompassed in this section.

3:09:52But that sense that you have highlighted

3:09:54would address council members.

3:09:56Wilson's concern that we only have

3:09:5715 more minutes to finish this.

3:09:59I mean, we only need 10 minutes to finish this.

3:10:01Can we just extend to 11, 15 or to 12, 15 to finish this?

3:10:09That is correct.

3:10:10And actually, the first line in here

3:10:12is also an additional language in order

3:10:14to allow for a thoughtful, clear-headed consideration

3:10:17of city business.

3:10:18Also, the council shall adjourn no later than.

3:10:20That first line is not in section, I believe.

3:10:24Right in that first line is the one that I believe addresses

3:10:26Councilor fideles concern.

3:10:29So it does talk about how long, but it doesn't

3:10:33talk about being know, being efficient

3:10:38and trying to get done early.

3:10:39So that some of our residents can participate more.

3:10:42But certainly, I would suggest that we could.

3:10:48That could be one extra sentence in there.

3:10:52Well, actually could just be added to the first sense of gag

3:10:56order to allow for the clear-headed consideration

3:11:00of city business.

3:11:02Actually, it doesn't say whether.

3:11:04It actually doesn't say whether that's by the city council,

3:11:07or the city or the public, so that persons could be in order

3:11:13to allow for thoughtful clear-headed of city business

3:11:16by the public and the city council, comma,

3:11:19all city council meeting Chartres

3:11:20and no later than 11:00 PM.

3:11:33And and, holly, just so that everything

3:11:36doesn't get renumbered, can we just

3:11:37say not used for paragraph j.

3:11:43I could.

3:11:44So that could be part of the edits,

3:11:46but that would be administrative edits that they

3:11:49would remember themselves.

3:11:50If we were to remove section.

3:11:52They would.

3:11:53But you have cross references to various sections

3:11:57that would then have to be manually

3:11:59changed because those don't unfortunately

3:12:01happen automatically.

3:12:03Correct so either way, either way for me, but I

3:12:07believe we're deleting this text in the letter J. All right,

3:12:21so I have the following changes to the document in letter m,

3:12:25we're deleting a significant portion of the definition

3:12:30of agenda in letter W to the title we're

3:12:33adding for public hearing.

3:12:36In two locations, we're adding or a moment of silence

3:12:40to follow the Pledge of allegiance,

3:12:43and we're adding a paragraph about liaison appointments

3:12:50and we're adding this text here in letter.

3:12:54And regarding the intent of ending it 11.

3:13:00And we're deleting the text in letter J.

3:13:08I'm asking for a motion to adopt.

3:13:12Actually, I should go figure out is the motion, we took.

3:13:15It's two separate motions, right, holly?

3:13:18That is correct.

3:13:19There's two separate documents for consideration.

3:13:21So this would be the administrative policies

3:13:24and rules of procedure, resolution, resolution

3:13:28for adoption.

3:13:28That would be the first action item requested.

3:13:31So can I get a motion to adopt this document

3:13:33with those changes and gave out a game called the equation

3:13:39of motion to approve.

3:13:40I have a second.

3:13:41Second I heard to okamoto, can you

3:13:44please call the roll alignment?

3:13:47Yes, ma'am.

3:13:49Potentially, yes.

3:13:50Council member.

3:13:53Yes, council member.

3:13:57Yes and yes.

3:13:59Motion carries.

3:14:01All right.

3:14:02Thank you, everyone.

3:14:05Then we have another ordinance, correct,

3:14:12but the resolution for is the ordinance a separate action?

3:14:16Yes so the ordinance is for information

3:14:20purposes only tonight.

3:14:22If you were to adopt the rules of procedure as proposed,

3:14:27that requires an ordinance change for reference

3:14:29to parliamentary procedure.

3:14:31So now that you have adopted that,

3:14:32I will start the process for that ordinance revision

3:14:35at a future meeting.

3:14:37So there are other resolution tonight

3:14:40than is a resolution of the city council, the city of revising

3:14:44a policy regarding expense, reimbursement

3:14:46and use of other resource superseding resolution.

3:14:4926 23 to tamberg.

3:14:55Second move by pardieu okamoto, seconded by kiato,

3:14:59can we have a roll call, please?

3:15:02Misalignment yes, Mia potentially, yes.

3:15:06Council member ableman yes.

3:15:08Council member party locomotor.

3:15:11Yes council member Akinjo.

3:15:13Yes motion carries.

3:15:15Great, thank you.

3:15:21All right, that concludes item seven AI will now move on

3:15:28to southern city manager employment agreement

3:15:33and I've got a little piece to say here.

3:15:39California government code section 4, 3

3:15:44requires every legislative body of a local agency

3:15:47to orally report, a summary of proposed actions on salaries,

3:15:52salary schedules or fringe benefits

3:15:54of executive level employees.

3:15:56Approval of information satisfies this requirement.

3:16:01The city manager's new contract will

3:16:03a recurrent base salary by 3 to $230,000 annually be removed.

3:16:13Provisions for cost of living increases

3:16:16unless provided to unrepresented administrative employees

3:16:20see removal payment for an automobile allowance D

3:16:26incorporate her previously volunteered

3:16:28additional contribution to callipers

3:16:31and e extend the term of the contract by 2 years

3:16:36are being approved.

3:16:42Any questions from council members?

3:16:47Mr fidele, I wanted to ask counsel, if you could,

3:16:54to why is this coming up now?

3:16:58What's the timing?

3:16:59What's the reason counsel is dealing with this.

3:17:02Now when she has a year to go before we consider?

3:17:09And then if you could bring up the attachment to the agenda,

3:17:16bill, so we can look at the first paragraph of section ten,

3:17:19I think that would be useful for Jordan

3:17:21to have at our fingertips.

3:17:46Jordan, did you get the answer to the question?

3:17:51I your pro.

3:17:54I understand that your question was, why is the council

3:17:58taking action on this now?

3:18:02Correct I think in part, some of the changes being incorporated

3:18:09into this, were previously agreed upon,

3:18:12and I just wanted to clarify.

3:18:15Mayor Lyman, you asked to bring up 10.

3:18:20At 10 a.m., Jordan, if you read today that if we don't if we

3:18:25provide notice of nonrenewable.

3:18:30Effectively, we provide notice of with only 12 months

3:18:33left, that it triggers the severance paragraph

3:18:37and we are then obligated to compensate the city manager

3:18:43with 12 months of base salary.

3:18:46That's the way I interpret the paragraph 10.

3:18:50Thank you, Mary Lehman.

3:18:53So there are limits to our decisions and discussions

3:18:58and important to give based on her contract information

3:19:05to our city manager about what our feelings are.

3:19:08So I just want to say that it's been a tough year.

3:19:15Next year is going to be an even tougher year,

3:19:18and that's what we're going to be holding our city manager to.

3:19:23I appreciate what you volunteered, Karen, and brought

3:19:31before us, and I think if you hadn't, one of us or all of us

3:19:36would have thought something similar.

3:19:39Because it's a message to the rest of the city that I think

3:19:42needs to hear that from the top down,

3:19:45we need to make some sacrifices and that starts with you.

3:19:50So it's not a happy time.

3:19:53We would rather be in a better place,

3:19:56but you've brought us to a place and a process that.

3:19:59I think we can work on and move toward in twenty, 2001.

3:20:04So that's why I'm supporting this, thank you.

3:20:08Any other questions at this time?

3:20:11We'll have an opportunity for comments,

3:20:13I suspect that there is going to be members of the public that

3:20:16have comments for us and any other questions

3:20:19at this time seeing none.

3:20:22Let's go ahead and open up for public comment.

3:20:31The members of the public that are on the call

3:20:32now would be the time to raise your hand,

3:20:34if you were to speak on this item.

3:20:36And while we give you an opportunity to do that,

3:20:39I will just review that.

3:20:40We did receive public comments on this item

3:20:43by the 4:00 PM deadline, which were provided to the city

3:20:46council in advance of the meeting

3:20:47and posted online with supplemental materials.

3:20:50This includes comments from cordele Handler Jan Woo,

3:20:53Kathy Emami, Harris, Pearson.

3:20:56Miller, Grabner.

3:20:58Donald Simon.

3:20:59Kathy hahnville.

3:21:00Susan Ruiz.

3:21:03Ernestine Warren, Daniel Schulman, Diana Brenner,

3:21:06Kareem kristoffersson, Arthur Yee and rosemann, Abby Dawkins

3:21:11and Andrew McGrath.

3:21:13And then there were about five or six additional comments that

3:21:16did come in after the deadline.

3:21:18Those have been forwarded to the city council members

3:21:20and will be posted with supplemental materials

3:21:22tomorrow.

3:21:24And they do have at least one member of the public.

3:21:26Please raise their hand to speak.

3:21:28Mayor, if you can just confirm the 3 minute time limit for me.

3:21:34I moved to extend the meeting.

3:21:38First time for milk, we still have

3:21:41to do that, though, we have a motion to extend on the floor

3:21:45by pardieu akimoto.

3:21:46Can I get a second by second by in a roll call vote, which may

3:21:52or liming.

3:21:53Yes may 10.

3:21:54Fidele yes and no.

3:21:56I can't remember, part okimoto.

3:22:00Yes yes I can.

3:22:04Great great.

3:22:06Thank you.

3:22:07I'm seeing two speakers.

3:22:09Can you confirm that please?

3:22:11That is correct.

3:22:12I see two speakers at this time.

3:22:133 3 minutes seems adequate.

3:22:18Happy I are and can begin your time now.

3:22:26A clarification question when you put it