Contents
23 sections- 01Keep it succinctN
- 02Measure V for the fire departmentS
- 03Clean up, don't burn upN
- 04A little square on every newsletterN
- 05Adopted on consent, one by oneS
- 06A council of oneN
- 07Three months of payrollS
- 08Not a hillside problemS
- 09Defensible spaceS
- 10Seven hundred on the listS
- 11Voice over internetS
- 12Twelve years on the boardN
- 13The lowest increaseN
- 14Only San Francisco gets a seawallS
- 15Water during a power shutoffS
- 16Legacy feesS
- 17A fee nobody usesN
- 18Replacing a doorS
- 19Rounding upN
- 20Corrections after the factS
- 21Who chooses the task forceS
- 22Four and fourS
- 23Ellen TauscherN
01 Keep it succinct captions 1–181
0:04:26the meeting is called to order
0:04:28the clerk please call roll council
0:04:31member fidelity
0:04:32president mayor protest
0:04:34mayor pardue okamoto president council
0:04:37member abelson president councilmember
0:04:40quinto right next we will have the
0:04:42pledge of allegiance led by
0:04:45mayor pro-tem lyman
0:04:49pledge allegiance to the flag of the
0:04:51united states of america and to the
0:04:54republic for which it stands
0:04:56one nation under god
0:04:58indivisible with liberty and justice for
0:05:01all
0:05:07next we will have council and staff
0:05:09communications and i just wanted to
0:05:12say that we've had longer communications
0:05:15as the years have gone on and i'd like
0:05:17to
0:05:18keep it as short as possible
0:05:20an effort to keep our meetings so that
0:05:23they don't go until midnight
0:05:25so let's give our reports and try to
0:05:27keep it succinct
0:05:29do we have
0:05:30anything from our staff not tonight your
0:05:32honor thank you okay and
0:05:34council council member
0:05:37thank you mayor
0:05:38good evening
0:05:40i attended
0:05:41two
0:05:44events in sacramento last week one was
0:05:48as president of the api caucus of the
0:05:50league of california cities i attended
0:05:53an api legislative caucus awards dinner
0:05:56and the awards
0:05:59were for
0:06:01several people excellence and
0:06:03civic engagement
0:06:05excellence in civil rights
0:06:07excellence and culinary arts
0:06:09entertainment journalism philanthropy
0:06:13and public service
0:06:15and i was
0:06:16happy to
0:06:18see all of the awards including uh um an
0:06:21acquaintance and uh um a lot of folks
0:06:24you probably have seen him on msnbc uh
0:06:28richard louis he's from san francisco
0:06:31um and he is
0:06:34a tv commentator on nbc and msnbc and
0:06:38also mona pascal
0:06:40who is who was the appointment secretary
0:06:42for governor brown all these years and
0:06:44and she is also
0:06:46right now temporarily the appointment
0:06:48secretary for governor newsom
0:06:51and so that was a
0:06:53nice to attend and also
0:06:56the next day i was in sacramento all day
0:06:59as a member of the lgbt caucus of the
0:07:01leo california cities
0:07:03and it was legislative
0:07:05legislation day
0:07:07and we met with various
0:07:10assembly members and senators at the
0:07:12capitol thank you mayor
0:07:15councilman for ableton
0:07:17um i have a bunch of reports but when
0:07:19and i just kind of say where i was
0:07:22that's okay
0:07:23and then we'll make help to make it
0:07:25short okay thank you okay so i was at
0:07:27the grand opening celebration for hannah
0:07:31garden senior apartments
0:07:33along with um was everybody there i
0:07:35think
0:07:36i think so yeah yeah um and um
0:07:40i i won't talk about the details
0:07:45the i was also
0:07:49at a sustainability community strategies
0:07:53conference in sacramento on may 16th
0:07:56the most notable
0:08:01thing i saw that i didn't know anything
0:08:03about before
0:08:04had to do with concrete believe it or
0:08:06not and it was
0:08:08using
0:08:10concrete to patch
0:08:12uh you could get like i guess a liquid
0:08:14tube of
0:08:15or container of concrete and um
0:08:20patch a crack rather than completely
0:08:22replacing
0:08:23all of the concrete and
0:08:26i think the reason that that was at the
0:08:28sustainability
0:08:30community strategies session was that it
0:08:33would reduce the use of concrete overall
0:08:36and that would be a desirable thing from
0:08:39an environmental viewpoint
0:08:42i also attended as did i think
0:08:44practically our entire council
0:08:47on memorial for sheryl morse our
0:08:50secretary who passed away
0:08:53not so long ago and it was a beautiful
0:08:56ceremony
0:08:58and
0:08:59there were the room was filled it was
0:09:01held at the community center and
0:09:03we
0:09:04all expressed our
0:09:07goodbyes to her
0:09:09i went to
0:09:11[Music]
0:09:12committee on aging meeting
0:09:17went to the chamber of commerce today
0:09:19where melanie mintz
0:09:22reporting reported on what's happening
0:09:24on san pablo avenue
0:09:26it was really interesting and included a
0:09:29component on
0:09:31the
0:09:33what's happening right now which is
0:09:34we're looking at
0:09:37making
0:09:38changes so we can go into adding more
0:09:42units in more development
0:09:45in the future and there will be a lot of
0:09:47public input on that
0:09:50as we go along
0:09:52and then the other thing i wanted to
0:09:54just briefly mention is i went to
0:09:58several wic tech meetings
0:10:00which are going to be held
0:10:02pretty frequently
0:10:04as we're getting as we are preparing for
0:10:07the possible reauthorization or
0:10:09extension
0:10:11of our um sales tax measure for
0:10:13transportation
0:10:15and um
0:10:17so there's that topic but then the other
0:10:20topic that's going on are hearings
0:10:22regarding a possible
0:10:27transportation
0:10:28[Music]
0:10:31project along san pablo avenue in both
0:10:33the counties of
0:10:37alameda and contra costa up to
0:10:41[Music]
0:10:43san pablo
0:10:44the city of san pablo but it's um
0:10:46[Music]
0:10:47the um it's on san pablo avenue and so
0:10:50looking at what that would look like
0:10:53um which um
0:10:55you know what what lane would be used
0:10:57for what would there be at transit in
0:10:59the middle of the street
0:11:02or would it
0:11:03what would it look like would there be a
0:11:06dedicated bike lane separated bike lane
0:11:09all of these things are questions that
0:11:10will be considered as part of this
0:11:12project and so we're right now in
0:11:16looking at all of that and so
0:11:19if you're interested in that topic topic
0:11:21there will be
0:11:22hearings
0:11:23coming up
0:11:25and i think i
0:11:28finished
0:11:29thank you
0:11:30okay council member fidelity
0:11:33yes uh the opening of hana gardens was
0:11:36glorious that was a really fun thing to
0:11:38go to
The Mayor opened by asking for shorter reports.
Her reason: “we've had longer communications as the years have gone on, and I'd like to keep it as short as possible, in an effort to keep our meetings so that they don't go until midnight.”
Quinto, as president of the League of California Cities' API caucus, reported its legislative awards dinner, and an LGBT caucus legislative day in Sacramento.
Abelson reported the grand opening of the Hana Gardens senior apartments and the memorial for former City Clerk Cheryl Morse, where “the room was filled.”
She also reported the chamber of commerce briefing by the community development director on San Pablo Avenue.
A regional sustainability session had shown a concrete patch product that reduces concrete use, and WCCTAC was meeting often ahead of a possible extension of the county transportation sales tax and hearings on a San Pablo Avenue corridor project.
Fadelli reported the Hana Gardens opening and a meeting with the fire safety group. The Mayor reported appointments of Andrew Adams to the Civil Service Commission and Alice Morris to the Human Relations Commission, and a planned Contra Costa public meeting on Alta Bates.
The Mayor asks for shorter council reports, “so that they don't go until midnight.”
02 Measure V for the fire department captions 182–517
0:11:39um met with the fire staff fire safe el
0:11:42cerrito elsewhere fire safe group to
0:11:44discuss all the activities going on in
0:11:46the region
0:11:48involving fire prevention and
0:11:51that was interesting and
0:11:52productive
0:11:54met
0:11:55at the west county forum in san pablo
0:11:57and met on earth preparedness and there
0:12:00was a presentation from mtc on the
0:12:03casa affordable housing and tenant
0:12:06protection program
0:12:08and i just wanted to say i'm really
0:12:09pleased to have gotten the latest uh
0:12:11copy of news and views which talks about
0:12:13our recreational facilities in el
0:12:15cerrito especially about the pool and
0:12:18the possibility of
0:12:20measure a being extended so we can keep
0:12:22our pool one of our greatest assets in
0:12:24el cerrito up to speed thank you
0:12:27you're protein lyman no
0:12:30all right so i do have um
0:12:32just a couple of reports we had closed
0:12:35session and we gave
0:12:37direction to our staff to proceed with
0:12:39negotiations
0:12:41and then we also continued um out of
0:12:43close closed session uh with our
0:12:47updates on interviews that we have been
0:12:49conducting for
0:12:51various
0:12:53commissions
0:12:54and we have appointed andrew adams to
0:12:57the civil service commission
0:12:59and alice
0:13:01morris to the human relations commission
0:13:05and that concludes my reports from
0:13:08our previous meetings right before this
0:13:10council meeting
0:13:11uh in addition i have one announcement
0:13:14um
0:13:15from the alta bates subcommittee that i
0:13:17am on we are looking at doing
0:13:23a meeting a public meeting we had one
0:13:25already in berkeley about a year ago and
0:13:28we're looking at doing another public
0:13:30meeting
0:13:31for contra costa county and i will
0:13:34continue to give you updates as that
0:13:36develops
0:13:39that
0:13:41that concludes our
0:13:43announcements for today
0:13:47next we will move on to oral
0:13:49communications from the public at this
0:13:52time if anyone would like to speak
0:13:54please give the city clerk a speaker
0:13:56card
0:13:57your remarks are limited to three
0:14:00minutes and i can decrease the number if
0:14:03there are
0:14:04the number of minutes if there are many
0:14:05speakers but it doesn't look like there
0:14:07will be today
0:14:10comments regarding non-agenda items and
0:14:13consent calendar items will be heard
0:14:15first comments related to other agenda
0:14:18items
0:14:19will be heard at the time the city
0:14:21council deliberates on that item when
0:14:24you come forward please state your name
0:14:27and your city of residence for the
0:14:30record
0:14:31will you please call the speakers
0:14:33the first three speakers tonight are
0:14:35cordell hindler followed by nick
0:14:37zamorono and gary prost
0:14:41so good evening uh mayor pedro akimoto
0:14:44uh council staff i am cordon handler
0:14:46richmond so
0:14:48this is what i came to last time and
0:14:50regarding the
0:14:52the the price of commercial space around
0:14:54the bay area and i i did some research
0:14:56so
0:14:57i have spoken to the owners of atlas
0:15:00liquors and
0:15:01they told me that uh that they paid 15
0:15:03000 a month for rent and i was like that
0:15:05is
0:15:06that is
0:15:07that's
0:15:08extraordinary
0:15:10it's like it's to me fifteen thousand
0:15:12dollars is a lot of money for rent
0:15:14i wouldn't for me personally as a
0:15:16business owner i would not pay that much
0:15:18money uh
0:15:19to lease a space i mean that that
0:15:21that's unacceptable so to me i spoken to
0:15:24other businesses around san pablo avenue
0:15:27and they're dealing with the same
0:15:29concerns you know like the price of uh
0:15:32rent keeps going up every time and i say
0:15:34as a um as a new business comes in peop
0:15:37they'll come they'll take one they'll
0:15:39come to el cerrito for um
0:15:41to see if they if this is to their
0:15:42liking if they like it that's fine but
0:15:44then if they don't like it they would
0:15:46have to find another space like to have
0:15:48um
0:15:50have their own business i mean because i
0:15:51looked at the cities of lafayette and
0:15:53berkeley and i said lafayette came out
0:15:55on top for me because i looked at their
0:15:57ad online it's like five thousand
0:16:00dollars not now that would be less than
0:16:02i would pay
0:16:03anywhere else because i'm looking for a
0:16:05space that would be
0:16:07convenient more accessible and
0:16:10the whole nine yards so that's one then
0:16:12number two is um i'm putting in i'm
0:16:14bringing an item forward to you to be
0:16:16placed on next month's agenda regarding
0:16:18the travel policy because i have been in
0:16:20communications with other
0:16:22cities in west county uh in the past
0:16:24they have done like travel policies you
0:16:26know up to a certain amount so i so i
0:16:29want to bring this forward to you all
0:16:30the peop to see if it could be placed on
0:16:32the next agenda
0:16:34and then the third thing is um
0:16:36i did want to thank mayor purdue okimoto
0:16:38for for out to base because
0:16:40as a person who um who cares about uh
0:16:43the hospital and in general i think
0:16:46that's it's wonderful so
0:16:48i'm also asking that if uh if you would
0:16:50invite mr cass to come back like you
0:16:52know to a future west county meeting uh
0:16:54to give you all an update on the um
0:16:57uh what's what kind of id some ideas i
0:17:00will bring forward to you all about the
0:17:01about keeping out to base going so with
0:17:03that i'll give my time to nick
0:17:06the next speaker is nick samarono
0:17:08followed by gary prost
0:17:11good evening madame mayor
0:17:14council members city staff friends and
0:17:15neighbors nick summerano el cerrito mike
0:17:19el suite of fire safe i want to talk
0:17:20about a couple subjects tonight
0:17:23first one is vegetation management
0:17:24standards
0:17:26and it is our understanding that the el
0:17:28cerrito fire department recently
0:17:29conducted visual inspections of
0:17:31properties and issued notices to those
0:17:34homeowners that were deemed to be out of
0:17:36compliance with the vegetation
0:17:37management standards for reducing fire
0:17:39hazards
0:17:40this includes violations of defensible
0:17:43space home hardening as well as
0:17:45overgrown vegetation debris prohibited
0:17:48tree shrubs and other flammable
0:17:50materials
0:17:51as many of us drive and walk to
0:17:53neighborhoods in el cerido we are quite
0:17:55aware of the many properties that appear
0:17:57appear to be at fire risk
0:17:59it would be important to know just how
0:18:01many of these homes are out of
0:18:02compliance
0:18:04and what type of fire risk do they pose
0:18:06to the neighborhood
0:18:08mike el cerrito fire safe is requesting
0:18:10that the city fire department make
0:18:12available a report as to the data that
0:18:16they collected that shows how many homes
0:18:18were deemed out of compliance
0:18:20and therefore a fire hazard to us
0:18:23big el suite of fire safe also urges
0:18:25that the city and fire department follow
0:18:26through with the necessary consequences
0:18:29resulting in bringing these properties
0:18:31into compliance
0:18:33not through any kind of
0:18:36mean efforts but
0:18:38more of a consistent effort to join in
0:18:41the process of cleaning up our
0:18:43properties
0:18:44it is also suggested that the city and
0:18:47the fire department sponsor neighborhood
0:18:48cleanup days to assist those homeowners
0:18:51who desire to comply with the standards
0:18:53but they somehow don't seem to have the
0:18:54means to do so there are a lot of
0:18:56elderly low-income homeowners that just
0:18:59don't have the financial means to be
0:19:01able to do all the necessary work
0:19:03over the years of many many years of
0:19:05neglected maintenance
0:19:08the second item i wanted to
0:19:10talk about is fire assessment and a
0:19:12prevention fee
0:19:15i want to propose the idea of
0:19:16establishing an annual fire assessment
0:19:18prevention fee that would be placed on
0:19:20every home owner parcel that would be
0:19:23used exclusively for fire mitigation
0:19:25prevention and recovery
0:19:27other counties such as el dorado netaja
0:19:29based on charge a fee per parcel
0:19:31structure that is used only by the local
0:19:34fire departments to fund fire mitigation
0:19:36and prevention these funds could also be
0:19:39used to financially assist those
0:19:40homeowners who cannot afford to bring
0:19:42the properties into compliance
0:19:44and i know that nobody wants to hear
0:19:45about another tax
0:19:48but sometimes you have to
0:19:50pay for the services that you want and
0:19:53i think the president for such a fee has
0:19:55already been established to the passage
0:19:57of the transfer tax on measure v
0:20:00and the landlord registry fee of 44 per
0:20:02rental unit the fire assessment
0:20:04prevention fee seems to me and others to
0:20:07be a small price to pay for preventing a
0:20:09mega fire in a very high fire hazard
0:20:11severity zones i also want to recommend
0:20:13that a portion of the measure v funds be
0:20:16diverted to the fire department to
0:20:17further support the firefighting efforts
0:20:20thank you thank you next speaker is gary
0:20:23prost followed by k stark weather
0:20:27good evening mayor council i'm gary
0:20:30prost el cerrito
0:20:32and speaking on behalf of make el
0:20:34cerrito fire safe
0:20:36um and be talking about
0:20:38support
0:20:39for california assembly bill 38
0:20:43first though i want to thank
0:20:46several of you in particular councilman
0:20:48fidelity
0:20:50marshall gibson and
0:20:52chief keith
0:20:53for helping out and making
0:20:55doing lots of efforts to make el cerrito
0:20:58fire safe
0:21:01ab38
0:21:02is a an act
0:21:04that adds sections to california's
0:21:07health and safety code relating to fire
0:21:10safety
0:21:11currently it's in draft form
0:21:14the bill enacts wildfire minimization
0:21:17programs
0:21:18wildfire prevention programs and
0:21:20wildfire response programs
0:21:23requires that low-cost retrofits to fire
0:21:28uh to in order to fire hardened
0:21:31structures
0:21:32be certified at time of sale of a home
0:21:35or building
0:21:37it also establishes a fire hardened home
0:21:40loan and rebate program to help
0:21:42homeowners meet this requirement
0:21:46make el cerrito fire safe which is an
0:21:49alliance of concerned neighbors and
0:21:50residents of el cerrito urges you the
0:21:54city council
0:21:55and the city
0:21:57to formally declare support for ab38 and
0:22:00what it represents
0:22:02including if possible
0:22:04a statewide regional fire safety board
0:22:06as is
0:22:07as is in the original bill thank you
0:22:12the next speaker is k stark weather
0:22:14followed by scott perry
0:22:21hello my name is kay starkweather and
0:22:24i'm a resident of el cerrito
0:22:26i'm part of el cerrito fire safe also i
0:22:29have
0:22:30two
0:22:31brief points to make this evening
0:22:35with the measure v funds that measure v
0:22:38just passed i it's my understanding that
0:22:42homeowners can get one one-third rebate
0:22:45of the funds for
0:22:47solar
0:22:48and earthquake retrofit
0:22:51upon
0:22:52sale of their home and i would like to
0:22:53ask that
0:22:56the language of the measure be
0:22:58amended to include that fire hardening
0:23:01of your home
0:23:04could also qualify for the one-third
0:23:06rebate
0:23:08my second point is
0:23:10that upon close of escrow all homes sold
0:23:14or all properties sold
0:23:17in within the city of el cerrito
0:23:20meet the vegetation management standards
0:23:23at close of escrow to conclude the
0:23:25transaction
0:23:27at this
0:23:29juncture we require that all the sewers
0:23:32be brought up to code and retrofitted
0:23:34and i would like to add that we require
0:23:37the properties to meet current
0:23:38vegetation management standards some of
0:23:41which mr zamorano just outlined thank
0:23:44you
0:23:44the next speaker is scott perry followed
0:23:47by paul duncan
0:23:51thank you scott perry lifelong resident
0:23:53of el cerrito
0:23:55i would like to thank the else rita fire
0:23:57department for their continued work in
0:23:59hillside nature area and i'd also like
0:24:01to thank them for their wonderful
0:24:03presentations of megafires the new norm
0:24:06dave gibson presented very important
0:24:08information about the threat of
Public comment opened with rents and turned quickly to fire and Measure V.
Cordell Hindler said a liquor store owner paid $15,000 a month in rent, against about $5,000 in Lafayette, and asked for a council travel policy on a future agenda.
Nick Samorano of Make El Cerrito Fire Safe asked the fire department to report how many homes had received non-compliance notices, urged cleanup days for elderly low-income owners, and proposed an annual fire prevention assessment on every parcel.
Gary Prost asked the Council to support AB 38, which would require low-cost fire-hardening retrofits to be certified at sale and create a home-hardening loan and rebate program, and thanked Fadelli, Fire Marshal Gibson and Chief Keith.
Samorano had also asked: “i also want to recommend that a portion of the measure v funds be diverted to the fire department to further support the firefighting efforts.”
Kay Starkweather asked that Measure V's one-third rebate extend to fire hardening, and that every sale require vegetation compliance at close of escrow, as sewer laterals must already be brought to code.
A speaker thanked the fire department for its “Megafires: the New Norm” presentations.
Most of the speakers belonged to Make El Cerrito Fire Safe.
Fire safety advocates ask that “a portion of the measure v funds be diverted to the fire department,” propose a per-parcel fire prevention fee, and ask that vegetation compliance be required at the sale of every property.
03 Clean up, don't burn up captions 518–590
0:24:10catastrophic fires in our areas and our
0:24:12area and its consequences to el cerrito
0:24:15his compelling information had complete
0:24:17attention of all in attendance he
0:24:19emphasized defensible space around our
0:24:22homes
0:24:22meaning vegeta
0:24:24removing vegetation and distance from
0:24:26our structures
0:24:27we talked about ladder fuels and the
0:24:29importance of eliminating them we also
0:24:32had a conversation about the eucalyptus
0:24:34trees in hillside nature area where even
0:24:36if the ladder fuels were cleaned up and
0:24:38removed that in a diablo wind event
0:24:40driven
0:24:41fire embers would blow into preheated
0:24:44leaf canopies
0:24:45igniting them igniting one of the most
0:24:48volatile trees known
0:24:50el cerrito must choose fire safety over
0:24:52vegetation aesthetics
0:24:54i'd also like to thank council member
0:24:57fideli for his attendance at the first
0:24:59meeting that i attended
0:25:00and to thank him also for coming to a
0:25:03meeting of make el srido fire safe
0:25:05we exchanged wonderful information
0:25:08that we had about things that we had
0:25:10been doing and we agreed that an update
0:25:13updated version to the city's website
0:25:15would benefit all of us
0:25:17thank you let's make el cerrito fire
0:25:19safe thank you
0:25:20the next speaker is paul duncan followed
0:25:22by susan duncan
0:25:27good evening i'm paul duncan it's uh el
0:25:30cerrito may cal cerrito fire safe i'm
0:25:32speaking tonight to once again bring up
0:25:34the idea our group has already suggested
0:25:37to the city council and the city manager
0:25:40clean up don't burn up
0:25:43we're requesting that the city schedule
0:25:45advertise and sponsor a citywide cleanup
0:25:48weekend for many years we've had
0:25:50organized garage sale days why not
0:25:53extend this idea to organize days with
0:25:56the goal of increasing fire safety
0:25:58with lots of winter rain warm sunny
0:26:00spring weather and now a couple inches
0:26:02more rain and warm water starting again
0:26:04soon will get way more weed growth than
0:26:07we've had in normal years when those
0:26:09weeds dry out of course the fire hazards
0:26:11increase dramatically
0:26:13one big impediment in my mind to people
0:26:15cleaning up their lots is the disposal
0:26:17of the resulting green waste wouldn't it
0:26:20be a good idea to place debris boxes in
0:26:22strategic locations to encourage
0:26:25cleaning up
0:26:26or alternatively designate flat spaces
0:26:28to stack up debris for chipper trucks to
0:26:31swing by the next day and pick it all up
0:26:34with the disposal problems eliminated i
0:26:36believe more people would step up and do
0:26:38the right thing by clearing their own
0:26:40property and maybe even volunteer to
0:26:42help their neighbors who for some reason
0:26:44can't do it on their own
0:26:46think about it you've already said it's
0:26:48a good idea
0:26:49make it happen
Fire safety speakers continued.
Scott Perry relayed the fire marshal's “Megafires” presentation on defensible space, ladder fuels and the eucalyptus in the Hillside Natural Area: “el cerrito must choose fire safety over vegetation aesthetics.” He thanked Fadelli for attending their meetings.
Paul Duncan renewed the group's proposal, “clean up don't burn up”: a city-sponsored cleanup weekend, with debris boxes or chipper pickups to remove the green waste.
Fire safety advocates propose a citywide cleanup weekend, “clean up don't burn up,” with debris boxes to make green waste easy to remove.
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0:26:51clean up don't burn up
0:26:53thank you
0:26:54thank you the next speaker is susan
0:26:56duncan followed by barbara chan
0:27:06good evening susan duncan el cerrito
0:27:08first i'd like to thank the fire
0:27:10department for their continued
0:27:12uh cleaning up in hillside natural area
0:27:14by burning more slash piles last week
0:27:17i also want to thank council member
0:27:20fidelity for meeting with us last week
0:27:23it is encouraging to know that one of
0:27:25the city's top priorities is wildfire
0:27:27prevention although sometimes it isn't
0:27:30real apparent to the public
0:27:32perhaps by making it more you could make
0:27:35it more apparent
0:27:37by on the front page of every news and
0:27:40views you could have a wild profile
0:27:43prevention article as you did
0:27:45on the
0:27:46spring one the spring 19 one just have a
0:27:49little square on the front every week
0:27:51every time about
0:27:52some wildfire prevention like maybe tips
0:27:56on how to harden your house
0:27:58uh
0:27:58the most flammable
0:28:00vegetation of the
0:28:03fire safe list etc
0:28:05also
0:28:07how about putting some measure funds
0:28:09measure v funds toward
0:28:12fire prevention that would show your
0:28:14commitment also
0:28:18i also want to report that since the
0:28:19last council meeting four of us met with
0:28:21assembly member wix we discussed ab38
0:28:24which since then has been gutted
0:28:27there are no more regional boards but
0:28:29there is a contingent of groups that are
0:28:31working to try to get the regional board
0:28:33section back into that bill
0:28:36she also indicated that she would be
0:28:38happy to write letters of support for
0:28:40any grants that the city applies for she
0:28:42said that she and senator skinner
0:28:45routinely send joint letters for support
0:28:47so all you have to do is notify her
0:28:49office for these letters thank you
0:28:55the next speaker is barbara chan
0:28:56followed by anna ippaloto
0:29:05good evening council members and members
0:29:07of the public my name is barbara chan i
0:29:09live in el cerrito and
0:29:12before i speak about the topic i'm here
0:29:15to
0:29:16address i just wanted to say that we
0:29:18love your idea of
0:29:21clean up and don't burn up
0:29:23so
0:29:24you've got the environmental justice
0:29:25group behind you
0:29:27so for years el cerrito has had a
0:29:29profitable recycling center and now
0:29:31we're faced with having to pay for our
0:29:34plastic and other materials to be taken
0:29:36mostly to landfill because
0:29:39of
0:29:40the smaller markets for plastic
0:29:44and the fact that some processors have
0:29:46gone out of business and some of the
0:29:48equipment cannot process
0:29:50bits of plastic while i am supportive of
0:29:52residents paying more for waste
0:29:55collection to deal with this crisis in
0:29:57the interim
0:29:59we believe that we have a moral
0:30:00imperative to eliminate as much plastic
0:30:03from our lives as possible
0:30:06a product of petroleum fracking
0:30:09the entire
0:30:10process from pro um
0:30:13from you know from the underground to
0:30:15product is unhealthy
0:30:17at the very least el cerrito
0:30:20a city that prides itself on being green
0:30:24must find the will to at least bl ban
0:30:27plastic and non-compostable food and
0:30:30beverage wear
0:30:31and reduce litter in our city you walk
0:30:34down san pablo avenue you go by the
0:30:37theater you go by the grocery store you
0:30:39walk in residences
0:30:41plastic is found everywhere
0:30:44not only will
0:30:46our
0:30:47updating our food wear ordinance reduce
0:30:50our disposal costs businesses can save
0:30:52money by changing their dinnerware
0:30:55practices
0:30:58thank you
0:30:59thank you
0:31:00the last speaker under this item is anna
0:31:02ipaluto
0:31:09good evening and thank you for your time
0:31:11my name is anna palito and i'm a
0:31:13resident of vel's cerrito along with my
0:31:15two children who are here tonight and
0:31:19i'm here to voice my support of el
0:31:21cerrito fire safe and to ask that part
0:31:24of measure b be used to
0:31:27for reducing the risk of fire in the
0:31:29hillside natural area
0:31:33and to make that a priority i live in
0:31:34the wildwood complex which is
0:31:38located near right up against the
0:31:41natural area along gladys avenue also
0:31:44and it's very thick with vegetation and
0:31:47it's very concerning to me as a parent
0:31:49um
0:31:50i would like to thank the el cerrito
0:31:51fire department and again um elsewhere
0:31:54to fire safe for providing useful
0:31:55information over the past few
0:31:57months for us residents um
0:32:00but i would like to again ask that
0:32:02measure v
0:32:04and
0:32:05the funds that that
0:32:07entails be appropriated in a way that we
0:32:10can see as being
0:32:12helping reduce that risk um
0:32:15it's very frightening to me again as a
0:32:17parent to live so close to
0:32:19um such so much brush and and the
0:32:21eucalyptus trees and to know that it
0:32:23could so quickly turn into something
0:32:25devastating and not just because we live
0:32:27so close to the to the natural area but
0:32:29for the entire city
0:32:30um and i again i want to thank elsewhere
0:32:32to fire safe for raising these concerns
0:32:34and
0:32:35as as a resident just echo
0:32:38my support and echo their suggestions
0:32:41which i think are really excellent thank
0:32:43you for your time bye thank you
Remaining speakers asked for visibility and for plastic reduction.
Susan Duncan: wildfire prevention is a top priority “although sometimes it isn't real apparent to the public.”
Her suggestion: “on the front page of every News and Views… just have a little square… about some wildfire prevention, like maybe tips on how to harden your house.”
She reported that four members had met Assemblymember Wicks about AB 38, which had since been “gutted,” losing its regional boards; Wicks offered letters of support for city grant applications.
Barbara Chan, for an environmental justice group, on plastics: “you walk down san pablo avenue… plastic is found everywhere,” and an updated foodware ordinance would cut disposal costs.
Anna Ippolito, who lives with her two children in the Wildwood complex against the Hillside Natural Area, asked that Measure V be used to reduce the fire risk there.
The consent calendar followed.
A resident asks for “a little square” on every newsletter front page with wildfire prevention tips, and reports that AB 38 has been “gutted.”
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0:32:47all right
0:32:49next we have the adoption of the consent
0:32:51calendar
0:32:54a revised regular meeting schedule for
0:32:56summer 2019
0:32:59b rent registry ordinance
0:33:01c just cause for eviction ordinance and
0:33:05annual review of comprehensive financial
0:33:08policy
0:33:15i have a motion
0:33:25i was debating whether or not i wanted
0:33:27to pull the
0:33:28financial
0:33:29uh one i'm gonna not uh so i'll move uh
0:33:32the consent calendar of item 4a through
0:33:354d
0:33:36i would second that um
0:33:39i i was wanting to pull d also
0:33:42okay
0:33:44all right for a discussion at least
0:33:47okay so i will revise my motion if
0:33:49that's allowed to
0:33:52approve items four a through four c and
0:33:55i'd like to ask a question
0:33:59about c which is
0:34:03being that it's on the consent calendar
0:34:05the question is if
0:34:08if one still has an opposition to it
0:34:12it uh it seems to me we need to pull it
0:34:14in order just to vote on it right so i
0:34:17will move a
0:34:18motion to prove 4a
0:34:22second
0:34:24okay all in favor of approving
0:34:28only
0:34:29a of the consent calendar revised
0:34:32regular
0:34:33meeting schedule for summer 19 all in
0:34:36favor
0:34:37those opposed
0:34:39motion carries i move a motion to
0:34:41approve 4b second
0:34:45all in favor
0:34:48those opposed
0:34:50motion carries
0:34:52i move a motion to approve item 4c
0:34:57all in oh i second that motion
0:35:00all in favor aye aye
0:35:02those opposed no
0:35:05all right motion carries
0:35:09lastly
The just cause eviction ordinance and the rent registry were adopted on the consent calendar, taken one by one.
The calendar: a revised summer meeting schedule, the rent registry ordinance, the just cause for eviction ordinance, and the annual review of the comprehensive financial policy.
A councilmember noted that anyone opposing an item needed to pull it to record a vote, so the items were taken separately.
The rent registry passed. The just cause ordinance passed 4–1, as staff confirmed at the 16 July meeting.
This was the second reading of the ordinance adding chapter 10.300.
Twenty days later, on 10 June, a referendum petition is filed and the ordinance suspended before taking effect.
By August the Council repeals it; the rent registry survives.
The financial policy was pulled for discussion.
Just cause eviction is adopted on a separated consent vote, 4–1, with the rent registry alongside it. Twenty days later a referendum petition suspends it before it takes effect; by August it is repealed, while the rent registry survives.
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0:35:11is there discussion on item d annual
0:35:14review of comprehensive financial policy
0:35:17the um reason i was wanting to
0:35:20discuss this is to discuss the part that
0:35:22talks about
0:35:25whether the council
0:35:27[Music]
0:35:28it it sort of reads to me like the
0:35:31council is not supposed to
0:35:33um
0:35:34[Music]
0:35:43do anything without
0:35:46uh i'm just trying to think how to word
0:35:48this uh
0:35:50that ex it's the way expenditures are um
0:35:56authorized i suppose
0:35:58and um
0:35:59[Music]
0:36:02there
0:36:03and then the other item had to do with
0:36:05in the case of an emergency
0:36:07it looks like the
0:36:09council could almost be disbanded
0:36:12it looks like if everyone if let's say
0:36:15there was an emergency and
0:36:17everyone was away from the city at the
0:36:19time of the emergency let's call this a
0:36:21dire emergency
0:36:23and there was one person left from the
0:36:25council that that council that
0:36:28that council could be reformed as one
0:36:30person
0:36:32uh so i need i just need to understand
0:36:34how that
0:36:36i need to understand more about that so
0:36:38the way the state law
0:36:39reads is that that's cited in the text
0:36:42that that is being proposed is that um
0:36:45under state law in the event of an
0:36:47emergency um in which um members of the
0:36:51council are
0:36:53um not able no
0:36:55no longer available that a single member
0:36:57of the council can
0:36:59call a meeting for the purposes of
0:37:01reconstituting the council
0:37:05and there's a process laid out in state
0:37:06law for for doing so in addition there
0:37:09are um standby members of the council
0:37:12um
0:37:13and so
0:37:14uh
0:37:16basically once once there's once enough
0:37:18people have been um
0:37:21appointed to reconstitute the council
0:37:23then they would be able to act
0:37:25but i i guess what concerns me is
0:37:28that
0:37:29how it's really determined that they're
0:37:32no
0:37:32no longer available
0:37:36i mean i understand if
0:37:38if they've their decisions
0:37:40they would have lost their lives in the
0:37:41emergency
0:37:43that's what that means
0:37:44okay
0:37:47okay all right i was not being
0:37:48sufficiently direct okay i have a
0:37:51follow-up question if i may um just
0:37:54like for example i'm a mandatory
0:37:56reporter as a nurse so if i was unable
0:37:58to be here because i had to be in the
0:38:00hospital during an earthquake for
0:38:03three or four or five days in a row
0:38:05would that also count
0:38:07um
0:38:08i believe that
0:38:10that
0:38:11that it um it would not count um but
0:38:15there'd also be a question of whether or
0:38:16not we'd be able to
0:38:19to combine different portions of state
0:38:21law to be able to put together a quorum
0:38:25for holding a meeting so if you were a
0:38:27mandatory reporter and simply not able
0:38:28to be in the city
0:38:30but two other members were able to be
0:38:32here we would be able to schedule um a
0:38:36meeting where you were attending by
0:38:37phone i think just for just
0:38:40just for a short enough meeting to be
0:38:42able to do things like authorize the use
0:38:44of funds
0:38:45or take other immediate actions that
0:38:47were necessary the the the provision for
0:38:50reconstituting the council is really for
0:38:53when as a result of an event um that
0:38:56results in an emergency like council
0:38:58members are presumed to have died
0:39:01thank you
0:39:03so um
0:39:05okay so it wouldn't be used just because
0:39:08you know
0:39:09there are factions on the council and
0:39:12kind of to eliminate a faction no that's
0:39:14that it does the state law does not
0:39:16allow for that okay so there are
0:39:18processes or there's there's something
0:39:20in place that does that
0:39:22and um does all of this assume that
0:39:25there is a city attorney
0:39:27yes in place yes
0:39:31hopefully you have not expired it
0:39:33assumes that i assuming that i am still
0:39:35the city attorney or someone from my
0:39:36office
0:39:37has been appointed it will
0:39:39have been will have been become
0:39:41available will be available to provide
0:39:43legal counsel and ensure that um the
0:39:45provisions of state law have been
0:39:47satisfied to allow for the action of
0:39:48reconstituting and that can be done by
0:39:50phone isa yes the city attorney would be
0:39:52able to attend by phone and not
0:39:54necessarily to attend in person okay
0:39:57that that helps with that um
0:40:01now the um
0:40:03could could you
0:40:05could the city manager perhaps just run
0:40:07through the
0:40:08uh the reason that i shouldn't be
0:40:11concerned about the
0:40:13fund the um
0:40:15funding of the budget and the
0:40:17and so forth for the emergency fund
0:40:19right well actually i also have a
0:40:21finance director mark rosaya here who
0:40:24has spoken with the fab so how about um
0:40:27i turn it over to him so that he can let
0:40:29you know of his detail and what the
0:40:31financial advisory board also said about
0:40:33this that would be great
0:40:35good evening mayor and council members
0:40:38would you mind repeating that question
0:40:39again
0:40:40the question really has to do with
0:40:43understanding
0:40:45how we can
0:40:47not
0:40:48take
0:40:50any action on anything
0:40:52without discussing the financial
0:40:55um
0:40:58aspects of it
0:41:00um
0:41:02because because the concern i have that
0:41:05um you know i mean like what about
0:41:08resolutions in support of earth day or
0:41:10something
0:41:11uh you know i mean there are lots of
0:41:13actions that we take that
0:41:16you know are pretty obviously don't have
0:41:19any significant uh financial aspect but
0:41:22are we going to have to spend have to
0:41:24spend time on reports that
0:41:27um say so or you know i mean do you
0:41:30follow what i'm
0:41:31concerned about that's kind of where my
0:41:33concern is
0:41:34so thinking behind this was from the
0:41:36fab's point of view was to
0:41:38make sure that if there was significant
0:41:40expenditure of any thoughts
0:41:43that the impact of that expenditure was
0:41:45explored in terms of the impact that it
0:41:46would have on the fund balance reserve
0:41:48ratio
0:41:49so that doesn't pertain to things like
0:41:51like you suggested earth day and other
0:41:52kinds of normal causes of action type of
0:41:54business
0:41:56and by significant we mean things that
0:41:57exceed the city managers pending
0:41:59authority which in this case works out
0:42:01to anything over forty five thousand
0:42:02dollars
0:42:03so those are the types of actions that
0:42:04the fab had in mind when they moved up
0:42:06that concept okay and that's specified
0:42:08in here
0:42:10well it says if there is anything major
0:42:12to be spent it needs to be supported by
0:42:16uh the impact on the fund balance ratio
0:42:18and so that's about where they've left
0:42:20it at they haven't broken it down into
0:42:22exactly how much that amount should be
0:42:24well
0:42:25should shouldn't it be you know i'm just
0:42:27wondering if that needs to be defined
0:42:31again the thinking behind this whole
0:42:32thing
0:42:34i mean saying the the city manager's fun
0:42:37uh
0:42:39signature
0:42:40ability to spend money would be to me an
0:42:43adequate way of describing it without
0:42:46actually even specifying
0:42:48in the same place the amount
A councilmember pulled the financial policy to ask about emergency powers, and found an unusual provision.
Her first concern: language on how expenditures are authorized seemed to constrain the Council.
Her second: in a dire emergency with members absent, “there was one person left from the council… that council could be reformed as one person.”
The answer: it applies where members are “no longer available” — that is, have died in the emergency.
Pardue-Okimoto asked about her own case: as a nurse and “mandatory reporter,” if she were at the hospital for days after an earthquake, would she count as unavailable?
The answer: no — but state law provisions might be combined to allow a quorum with those present.
Finance Director Mark Rosaya said the Financial Advisory Board meant the fiscal impact requirement for significant spending — above the City Manager's authority, about $45,000 — not for routine actions like an Earth Day resolution.
The financial policy allows the Council to be reconstituted from a single surviving member in a catastrophe. A nurse on the Council asks whether hospital duty after an earthquake would count — no, but a quorum might still be assembled by phone.
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0:42:50right and we can include that as
0:42:53a modifier in that sentence that says
0:42:55that if it exceeds the city manager's
0:42:56spending authority it can be it needs to
0:42:58be supported by its impact on it yeah i
0:43:00mean if it was stated that way it would
0:43:02um
0:43:04be reasonable to me yes most certainly
0:43:06excuse me which section are we talking
0:43:07about
0:43:12because if it's possible we can insert
0:43:13that language tonight right as part of
0:43:15the motion
0:43:33that was um
0:43:46i'm just trying to find that exact
0:43:48little line here
0:43:55are we talking about 3.2 on page
0:43:5842 of 119
0:44:20no it is um
0:44:24it's a one-line sentence that we have i
0:44:27think at the end of the cip
0:44:31we see
0:44:33you know three went three what
0:44:38cip is section 8 on page 46 of 119 right
0:44:43[Applause]
0:44:52what section
0:44:54i know that now that i found the page
0:44:59seven point eight
0:45:02no it's just eight
0:45:03that's when the new section was
0:45:04introduced
0:45:06well he hasn't found the
0:45:09the fund ratio
0:45:11i haven't found that the specific
0:45:13sentence you were talking about
0:45:19where a study is needed prior to
0:45:21expenditure
0:45:23that's that's what i heard
0:45:25that we're talking about right and i'm
0:45:27just trying to put a finger on that your
0:45:28honor are you looking at under financial
0:45:30management policies number 7.2
0:45:34all requests for city council action
0:45:35shall include an analysis of the
0:45:37immediate and future fiscal impact of
0:45:39such action particularly impacts on the
0:45:41general fund
0:45:43is that what you're talking about
0:45:44council member abelson right
0:45:46so that would be on page 45 of 119 under
0:45:49financial management policy 7.2
0:45:58but it it if that language could be
0:46:00included there that would specify
0:46:03uh in it funds in excess of the
0:46:09city manager's authority
0:46:15all requests for city council action
0:46:17that exceeds the city manager's spending
0:46:19authority shall include an analysis of
0:46:21the immediate and future fiscal impact
0:46:24yes
0:46:27yes section 7.2 and page 45
0:46:30and we could insert that language there
0:46:32great
0:46:33thank you
0:46:37that covers my
0:46:42here
0:46:43yes go ahead and council member fidelity
0:46:45yes yeah you're done with that item i i
0:46:47just uh what i liked about this
0:46:50item was the establishment and the
0:46:52approval of fab on the economic and
0:46:54disaster recovery fund which will go to
0:46:57earthquake fire and other things and
0:46:59it's saving
0:47:01the goal that we have of a 15 savings in
0:47:04our general fund expenditures which is a
0:47:06was a great thing my concern is i was
0:47:08wondering if by choice it wasn't
0:47:10included in the resolution
0:47:12that significant point i think should be
0:47:14in the resolution is one of the
0:47:15significant changes that we've made in
0:47:17this
0:47:18in this document and i would just ask if
0:47:20others might agree and
0:47:22it could be easily included into that
0:47:24final whereas city staff have
0:47:26incorporated changes which include the
0:47:28ed r f fund which uh requires a goal of
0:47:3215
0:47:34for disaster relief
0:47:36it's actually it's actually three months
0:47:39which is six million so it's actually it
0:47:41wouldn't be fifteen percent it would be
0:47:43a different we would use different
0:47:44numbers the point is right yeah um
0:47:48and and i certainly wouldn't use the
0:47:50acronym we would use the
0:47:52i didn't say emergency and disaster
0:47:54recovery funding i like the language
0:47:55anyway i was just wondering if there was
0:47:57a reason why it wasn't included in the
0:47:58resolution
0:48:01frankly no there was no reason for that
0:48:03okay i think that's a significant
0:48:06if we
0:48:07if it took effect i'm not sure when it
0:48:09this would take effect
0:48:11but if it took effect let's say
0:48:13immediately
0:48:14then
0:48:16it would uh use up funding of this
0:48:18year's budget
0:48:20and we would have to
0:48:22defund
0:48:23the things that were currently covered
0:48:25by this year's budget
0:48:27correct
0:48:28no no no no why not item 4.2 on page 43
0:48:33of 119 talks about the funding
0:48:37timeline and it says the city council
0:48:39shall fund three months of payroll costs
0:48:41currently six million dollars in the
0:48:43emergency and disaster recovery fund the
0:48:46cash reserve requirement shall be
0:48:48reviewed every biennial budget cycle
0:48:50which we're going to do next year and
0:48:53the city budget shall
0:48:54contain a plan to achieve the target
0:48:57cash reserve
0:48:59in the
0:49:00emergency and disaster recovery fund
0:49:03over two biennial budget cycles so
0:49:06essentially from today we have five
0:49:08years to establish a six million dollar
0:49:12fund
0:49:14so it would not it would not be
0:49:15immediate i thought that paul was saying
0:49:17something different but
0:49:18i just meant to point out that we are
0:49:20establishing a six million dollar
0:49:22economic disaster recovery fund as
0:49:24simple as that in the resolution
0:49:28so it
0:49:30it does
0:49:31unless
0:49:32you don't like the words that are there
0:49:35i i support this and let me see if i can
0:49:37propose language that will fit both of
0:49:39you in the final whereas clause on but i
0:49:42have a problem with the language i'm
0:49:44just asking if the solution is
0:49:48it's just not included in the resolution
0:49:50i'm just look i'm looking at the um i'm
0:49:52looking at the resolution okay that's
0:49:53what i'm concerned about
0:49:57that it's significant enough of change
0:49:59that we're making financially
0:50:02far as
0:50:03seeking
0:50:04to establish the six million dollar
0:50:06disaster relief fund you're just wanting
0:50:08the the wording of
0:50:11what's in the document to be in the
0:50:15uh
0:50:16resolution right
0:50:19okay i don't have a problem with that if
0:50:21it's you know using just taking the same
0:50:23words out okay i thought you were trying
0:50:25to do something different i'm not
0:50:26changing any policies just making
0:50:28in our resolution
0:50:30prioritizing what they prioritize as a
0:50:33significant change
0:50:35that's fine okay thank you so if i may
0:50:38i will make a motion
0:50:41um
0:50:42and uh the motion i'm making is a
0:50:44resolution of the city council of the
0:50:46city of el cerrito approving the
0:50:48comprehensive financial policy
0:50:51with the following additions to the
0:50:53resolution
0:50:55where the final whereas clause would
0:50:57read
0:50:58whereas city staff has incorporated
0:51:00changes including the establishment of
0:51:03an emergency and disaster recovery fund
0:51:06valued at three months of payroll
0:51:10uh
0:51:11proposed by the city council the city of
0:51:13el cerrito in the attached document and
0:51:16uh incorporating a revision to
0:51:18the attached document in section 7.2
0:51:22to add the following
0:51:24words that exceeds city manager
0:51:26authority
0:51:27in
0:51:28to read all requests for city council
0:51:30actions that exceed city manager
0:51:32authority shall include an analysis of
0:51:34the media and future fiscal impact of
0:51:36such action particularly impacts on the
0:51:38general fund
0:51:42i second that
0:51:44all in favor
0:51:45aye aye
0:51:46as opposed
0:51:48motion carries
0:51:50thank you
0:51:51[Music]
0:51:52thank you
The policy's central commitment was an emergency reserve.
The text: “the city council shall fund three months of payroll costs, currently six million dollars, in the emergency and disaster recovery fund.”
The timeline: “the city budget shall contain a plan to achieve the target cash reserve… over two biennial budget cycles, so essentially from today we have five years to establish a six million dollar fund.”
At Abelson's request the policy was also amended so that “all requests for city council actions that exceed city manager authority shall include an analysis of the immediate and future fiscal impact.” Fadelli had the fund added to the resolution's final whereas clause.
The policy was approved with those changes.
The Council commits to an emergency and disaster recovery fund of “three months of payroll costs currently six million dollars,” to be built over two biennial budget cycles — “essentially from today we have five years.” Actions above the City Manager's authority must now carry a fiscal impact analysis.
08 Not a hillside problem captions 1213–1550
0:51:53next we will have a presentation by the
0:51:56el cerrito fire department on fire
0:51:58safety for homeowners
0:52:11um
0:52:27madam mayor members of the council dave
0:52:30gibson your fire marshal
0:52:32tonight i'm going to show you a brief
0:52:34presentation that we've been out in the
0:52:36public doing
0:52:38since
0:52:38actually started march 30th
0:52:42and this presentation was put together
0:52:44along with a diablo fire safe council
0:52:47uh in the initial presentation
0:52:49um
0:52:50and the opening slide uh
0:52:53we we kind of
0:52:55thought that was a
0:52:57a really good spot to start with
0:52:59in that
0:53:00that is a picture of coffee park up in
0:53:03santa rosa
0:53:05which is for those of you that know
0:53:07where coffee park is at is not in the
0:53:09high fire hazard area
0:53:11and that's one of the things that we
0:53:13really wanted to stress to everybody and
0:53:15that is that
0:53:17the problem that exists today
0:53:20is a problem
0:53:21that is
0:53:23encompassing
0:53:24all of the community it's not just those
0:53:27that live in the rural area not just
0:53:29those that live in the hillside area but
0:53:32in fact even those that live in
0:53:35the uh
0:53:36the in the flatlands in the in the
0:53:38non-fire hazard high fire hazard area as
0:53:41deemed by
0:53:42by cal fire
0:53:54let's make this
0:54:00there we go
0:54:01thank you
0:54:02um so an overview of what we've been
0:54:05we've been uh taking out to the public
0:54:07is going over
0:54:09what's been going on you know what's our
0:54:11environment in california doing a little
0:54:13behavior fire behavior 101 how do these
0:54:16fires get going
0:54:18talking about how to increase
0:54:19survivability
0:54:21looking at some
0:54:22kids some key factors that folks can use
0:54:25to protect themselves uh introducing
0:54:28folks that didn't know about it to the
0:54:29ready set go program from cal fire um
0:54:33the uh
0:54:34also talking about our standards
0:54:37our vegetation management standards and
0:54:39then doing an overview of ongoing
0:54:42projects that are out there in the
0:54:44community as far as living in california
0:54:47i think we all know and we've all seen
0:54:49what's been going on especially the last
0:54:51couple years we went through five years
0:54:53of drought and we know that that
0:54:55we had our significant fires then
0:54:58but we've had two years of rain and
0:55:00we're thinking okay well things are
0:55:02going to get better
0:55:04and we've had two devastating back to
0:55:06you know fire fire seasons back to back
0:55:09um
0:55:11the unfortunate word from cal fire that
0:55:13they've given us is that the vegetation
0:55:16that was drought stricken
0:55:18they were hoping it was going to come
0:55:20back the fuel moistures were going to
0:55:21come back
0:55:22and they're not coming back to the level
0:55:24that they thought they were going to be
0:55:26you combine that with the high grass
0:55:29or the bumper crop of grass that we're
0:55:32going to have again this season and
0:55:34we are in line for another
0:55:37active
0:55:38destructive fire season again and that's
0:55:40unfortunate we do
0:55:43have a great system here in california
0:55:45as far as moving
0:55:46uh equipment and people up and down the
0:55:49state but
0:55:50fires are going to happen and we have to
0:55:52do everything we can to protect
0:55:54ourselves
0:55:56we do have a history here in alameda and
0:55:58contra costa county
0:56:00that history dates back to
0:56:031923 when the
0:56:05uh fire of 1923 came through out of the
0:56:08hills on following uh east wind and
0:56:12uh went through and a little different
0:56:14look here
0:56:16went through and took out basically 524
0:56:19houses
0:56:21in less than in about two hours so
0:56:24if you look at that picture and compare
0:56:26it to a coffee park
0:56:29it looks a lot to be the same it's
0:56:32um so we have a history dating way back
0:56:36um
0:56:37in in our area
0:56:39um
0:56:411970s and september of 70 we had the
0:56:44open
0:56:44one of the first open berkeley hills
0:56:46fires but
0:56:47we had we did have a fire in that area
0:56:50and
0:56:51right in the same exact area
0:56:54that occurred in uh in 1991
0:56:57um the 1991 fire the the very
0:57:02uh difficult thing with the 91 fire was
0:57:04that
0:57:05that fire started with a morning wind
0:57:08blowing out of the east and then
0:57:10switched directions in the afternoon and
0:57:12as i've said in our presentations though
0:57:14one of the worst things firefighters uh
0:57:18we don't like is when wind shifts
0:57:20because we set all of our
0:57:22containment up and um
0:57:24all of our efforts to stop a fire based
0:57:27on the wind being in a certain direction
0:57:29and when it changes directions on us uh
0:57:32that causes us even
0:57:34more problems so
0:57:35uh that's one of the reasons why that
0:57:37fire was so difficult but
0:57:39the fire in 1970 the fire in 1991 were
0:57:43almost in the identical same area
0:57:45um
0:57:46and those areas are are growing and
0:57:49homes have been rebuilt and
0:57:52um
0:57:53you know those uh
0:57:54those areas still exist
0:57:56uh the other thing too was we a number
0:57:58of years ago we were able to participate
0:58:00in uh
0:58:01in a simulation with berkeley fire
0:58:04um
0:58:06in regards to this fire and
0:58:08uh
0:58:09being in the incident command post
0:58:11during that simulation and
0:58:13getting a new house fire
0:58:15every four seconds reported in was
0:58:19it's an incredible thing when you think
0:58:21about it i mean i've been up here
0:58:23five minutes and that was a lot of
0:58:24houses already that i would have got um
0:58:27you know reported uh that were already
0:58:29on fire so every four seconds is it's
0:58:32it's almost mind numbing
0:58:34um one of the things that we want to
0:58:36point out is that we do and it's already
0:58:38been talked about tonight is we do have
0:58:40a very high fire hazard severity zone uh
0:58:43here in uh in el cerrito and in most of
0:58:46kensington there's about three percent
0:58:47of kensington right around the circle
0:58:50that is not deemed by cal fire to be a
0:58:53high fire hazard area and that's based
0:58:55on vegetation topography weather
0:58:57structures and structure density
0:59:01this will get a little
0:59:02uh this is kept the cal fire map here
0:59:06and shows you the area that uh kind of
0:59:09runs along that line if you take that
0:59:10line there in el cerrito that starts
0:59:13kind of the base of navalier runs along
0:59:15colusa goes back towards ganges and kind
0:59:18of
0:59:18spreads across the bottom of the
0:59:21hillside natural area if you draw a line
0:59:22across and i know you can't see it on
0:59:25there but there's a little tiny speck
0:59:26down there in the corner there and
0:59:28that's that three percent on the calfire
0:59:30map
0:59:31that shows the the colusa circle but
0:59:34a significant portion of our community
0:59:37does fall under the high fire hazard
0:59:39severity zone so
0:59:41um we do have to you know take that into
0:59:43consideration
0:59:44uh the
0:59:47el cerino in kensington we have a
0:59:50community wildfire protection plan and
0:59:52we're one of only two communities in
0:59:54contra costa county
0:59:56that
0:59:56took the
0:59:58base plan um and then created our own
1:00:02plan as well so we basically took the
1:00:04county-wide plan um matter of fact i was
1:00:07in a meeting for that today it's under
1:00:08it's getting ready to go under its
1:00:10five-year review so
1:00:12we were looking at that and
1:00:14first thing i chimed in right away and
1:00:15said we we're going to put together ours
1:00:17again i mean we're going to keep our our
1:00:19protection plan and now other
1:00:21communities are saying they want theirs
1:00:22as well so and and and i applaud that
1:00:25they should
1:00:26um but it allows us to
1:00:28set goals and objectives for for
1:00:30different projects and set priorities in
1:00:34there on how we're going to treat things
1:00:36um as far as protecting our community
1:00:38from wildfire it also allows us to put a
1:00:42plan together
1:00:43and then when we're seeking grant
1:00:45funding
1:00:46refer back to the plan and say here's a
1:00:48specific project that we want to attack
1:00:51and it's in a plan it's not something we
1:00:53just dreamed up and we just want because
1:00:56it's it feels good it's something that's
1:00:58in the plan it's identified it's
1:01:00prioritized and that's that's uh
1:01:03why it's in that plan so we did we
1:01:06worked through the with the diablo fire
1:01:07safe council to put that plan together
1:01:10it's a 57-page document and uh
1:01:13we're going to when it gets revised at
1:01:15the country across the county level then
1:01:16we will revise ours as well so that
1:01:18should be towards uh
1:01:19the beginning of next year january of
1:01:21next year by
1:01:22before we come back with ours with our
1:01:24specific plan
1:01:26as far as a fire behavior 101
1:01:29we've been spending some time talking
1:01:32the community about this and
1:01:34the big thing with this is that
1:01:36you know when when when you go to the
1:01:38fire academy you're taught
1:01:40uh
1:01:40fuel
1:01:41oxygen and heat they create fire and if
1:01:44you really
1:01:45eliminate one of them then you basically
1:01:48you you take you put the fire out
1:01:50in the wildland environment we have
1:01:53different factors we have
1:01:55we have fuel weather and topography
1:01:58those are the that's the triangle so
1:01:59there's ultimately there's two triangles
1:02:02that are working together
1:02:03if we can eliminate one of them
1:02:06we can generally we can generally
1:02:08contain it or keep it in a smaller
1:02:10version
1:02:10so
1:02:11um
1:02:12with weather there's not a lot we can do
1:02:14with weather right i mean
1:02:16it's it does what it's going to do and
1:02:19in a lot of these devastating fires
1:02:20that's happened topography well not a
1:02:23lot we can do with you know the
1:02:24topography or the lay of the land the
1:02:27area we can impact is is in a lot of
1:02:29cases is the fuel and what we can do in
1:02:32fuel modification uh so that's the area
1:02:35we we try to concentrate the most on um
1:02:38is is working on those those uh those
1:02:41fuel factors um
1:02:43we one of the factors that we we do talk
1:02:46about in the weather
1:02:48and leads to what we call basically red
1:02:50flag days are the factors there diablo
1:02:53winds
1:02:56low
1:02:57relative humidity and the higher
1:02:59temperatures
1:03:00all of which will come and for us
1:03:03you know we'll come oftentimes in
1:03:05september october um are our our worst
1:03:08months but doesn't necessarily mean they
1:03:10won't come ahead um
1:03:13the diabolo wins a lot of folks we've
1:03:15been asking people in the classes we've
1:03:17been doing and the the sessions we've
1:03:18been doing how many people know what a
1:03:20diablo wind is and about
1:03:23it's been running about a third of the
1:03:25of the folks that are there know what a
1:03:27diablo wind is and and so we've been
1:03:29explaining that basically here in our
1:03:32area that's the equivalency of your
1:03:34santa ana winds in southern california
1:03:36and they're the hot dry winds that come
1:03:38out of the east
1:03:39and we all know those days because it
1:03:41just feels a little bit different for us
1:03:43on those days and so our vulnerability
1:03:46of having vegetation out along our
1:03:49ridgeline in our interface area where
1:03:52our homes are along along the uh the
1:03:54ridge
1:03:55now we have the winds pushing vegetation
1:03:58below and and potentially a fire gets
1:04:01going in that area uh then pushing into
1:04:04the community so
1:04:05uh that's those where those diabolo
1:04:07winds uh come in and and come into play
1:04:10even more
1:04:11uh topography well
1:04:13one of the things we we know about
1:04:15topography is if a fire starts at the
1:04:17bottom of a slope often time it preheats
1:04:20a head
1:04:21and
1:04:22you know it'll move hotter and faster
1:04:24going uphill it also reaches natural uh
1:04:29slopes and
1:04:31canyons and shoots
1:04:33and that accelerates and we have them
1:04:35here in our community just like every
1:04:37community but we do have a hillside area
Fire Marshal Dave Gibson gave the presentation the department had been taking to neighborhoods.
Its opening image: Coffey Park in Santa Rosa, “not in the high fire hazard area.”
His message: “the problem that exists today is… encompassing all of the community — not just those that live in the rural area, not just those that live in the hillside area.”
The local history: the 1923 fire that took 524 houses in about two hours, and the 1970 and 1991 fires in almost the same area; in a simulation, a new house fire was reported every four seconds.
The presentation had been given since 30 March, developed with the Diablo Fire Safe Council.
Red flag conditions: Diablo winds, low humidity, high temperatures, usually September and October.
His finding at meetings: only about a third of attendees knew what a Diablo wind is — “the equivalency of your Santa Ana winds.”
El Cerrito and Kensington have their own community wildfire protection plan, one of two in the county, which helps in seeking grants.
Only about a third of those at the department's sessions knew what a Diablo wind is — “the equivalency of your santa ana winds.” The opening image, Coffey Park, was “not in the high fire hazard area.”
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1:04:39here and uh
1:04:42you know we know right where those
1:04:43canyons and shoots are and they you know
1:04:45they in the in the vegetation that
1:04:47surrounds them so uh very much a concern
1:04:50uh certainly you never want wind and
1:04:53topography
1:04:55to align so to speak where it's pushing
1:04:57it uphill because now you've now you've
1:04:59got it going even faster so
1:05:02that's that's one of the big concerns
1:05:04that we have with that
1:05:07as far as what where we want to keep
1:05:10fires we want to keep fires at ground
1:05:12fire ground level and
1:05:15surface level uh is something that we
1:05:17look at
1:05:18uh where ground forces are our folks
1:05:20that are boots on the ground
1:05:23can keep things contained
1:05:26anything that gets over
1:05:28eight 10-foot flame lengths back you
1:05:31know over top of our head it becomes
1:05:33difficult for ground forces to put them
1:05:36out on that's based on the amount of
1:05:39heat that it puts off
1:05:41how much it evaporates though you know
1:05:43the water that's being put on
1:05:46we use actually smaller lines because we
1:05:49have to have the mobility out on the
1:05:51wildland than we do when we're doing a
1:05:53structure fire where we have more heat
1:05:56so even with that we have to have um
1:05:59we have to have you know
1:06:01then those fuels down at a lower level
1:06:04what we don't want is the scenario there
1:06:08where it climbs out of the surface fuel
1:06:10and ladders into as we call laddering
1:06:12into the treetops then
1:06:15ground forces are no longer useful
1:06:18and or as useful um and we have to then
1:06:21go to
1:06:22an aerial uh attack and
1:06:25one of the things that all of our
1:06:27incident commanders know is you never
1:06:30base your attack off the off having
1:06:32aerial support because
1:06:34we live in california we don't know what
1:06:37kind of aerial support we may get from
1:06:39cal fire
1:06:40we may get a lot we may get a little so
1:06:45it behooves us to keep those fires from
1:06:48staying out of the crown so that is a
1:06:50that is a big that is a big deal to us
1:06:52in in that regard
1:06:55one of the things we've been talking to
1:06:57to uh the community about is how how
1:06:59does wildfire spread uh it actually
1:07:01spreads three different ways one of
1:07:03those is direct flame impingement so
1:07:06you've got brush that grows right up to
1:07:08someone's house or
1:07:09uh
1:07:10that's not
1:07:12maintained or maintained to the the
1:07:14standards it should
1:07:16and
1:07:17um
1:07:18it it just creates enough heat uh up
1:07:21against the house and
1:07:23it's able to get the structure going
1:07:27another one and we've been spending a
1:07:28lot of time talking about that is the
1:07:31embers or firebrands um
1:07:34and one of the things we've been uh
1:07:36talking to folks about is is that
1:07:38uh
1:07:39would they be you know if they believe
1:07:41that this fire this picture here was
1:07:42taken
1:07:44in the daytime or the night time
1:07:47and it was taken in the daytime
1:07:49so
1:07:50um
1:07:52so you can see that when those brands
1:07:55start moving around they be
1:07:57they get into the wind uh
1:07:59fire when it gets to a certain point too
1:08:02as it develops it recreates its own
1:08:03weather
1:08:04and um
1:08:06so
1:08:07now you've got these fire brands that
1:08:09are blowing through the community or
1:08:10blowing into anything they can
1:08:13and
1:08:14and looking for a source to to get to
1:08:18catch and go
1:08:20the lower the relative humidity the
1:08:22higher the chance and the probability of
1:08:24these embers starting a fire
1:08:27on the third factor is is or the third
1:08:29way is radiant heat
1:08:31um and the example we've been using with
1:08:34this and the thing we've been stressing
1:08:35a lot with this
1:08:36um
1:08:37with with this picture is
1:08:40trying to encourage folks in our in the
1:08:42community
1:08:43to if there's a fire hazard that they
1:08:46know
1:08:47that's
1:08:48next door to them as an example we've
1:08:49been using that house on the left there
1:08:52as an example if they knew that there
1:08:54was a known fire hazard in the backyard
1:08:56of the house on the right
1:08:58not not saying there was in this picture
1:09:00but using that as an example
1:09:02that we're encouraging folks to let us
1:09:04know
1:09:06as it was discussed during public
1:09:08comments
1:09:09our inspectors are out
1:09:11our fire prevention officer who
1:09:14gave you a report last week a last
1:09:16council meeting
1:09:17is out in the community
1:09:19he's out doing our annual fire hazard
1:09:20abatement inspections
1:09:23program it's going very well um
1:09:25they are
1:09:27he's amassing quite a list at this point
1:09:30um
1:09:31and and we're being very aggressive with
1:09:33that but
1:09:34what we do have some particular laws
1:09:36that we have to follow with that we're
1:09:38not allowed to go on people's property
1:09:40we're not allowed to trespass we're not
1:09:42allowed to do certain things with that
1:09:44and so what we encourage and what we've
1:09:47been encouraging in these meetings is if
1:09:49you lived in that house next door to the
1:09:50left and you knew your neighbor had a
1:09:52known fire hazard in their backyard
1:09:55or you even thought they did
1:09:57call us let us know
1:09:59you know we're happy to go out and take
1:10:01a look
1:10:02you can show us from your house that's
1:10:04that's we're within the law but we
1:10:06cannot go onto people's property and
1:10:08look over their fence or do those types
1:10:10of things we're not it's not it's not
1:10:12allowed
1:10:13so we've been using this picture is that
1:10:15as that reminder um so that you know we
1:10:18we are able to get out and and take a
1:10:20look at everybody's homes from every
1:10:22angle that we can to try to eliminate
1:10:24those hazards
1:10:26we have been looking at uh some of the
1:10:28we've looked at four critical phases of
1:10:30uh increasing survivability
1:10:32first one in protecting your home
1:10:35we wouldn't talk about that in the in
1:10:37creating the fire escape landscaping
1:10:39early detection we've we've really
1:10:43we've been working a lot with that and
1:10:45and i know moraga rinda fire protection
1:10:47district has been doing a lot of people
1:10:49have seen we've been seeing a lot in the
1:10:50news with what they've been doing and uh
1:10:53we are tied very closely to them uh
1:10:55because we really
1:10:57like what they're doing and
1:10:59so we are in the beginning phases of
1:11:01working with some of the
1:11:02same technologies that they're looking
1:11:04at uh increasing our gis mapping um
1:11:08creating zones for evacuation all those
1:11:10types of things are our projects we're
1:11:12working on early notification we've been
1:11:15spending time making sure that
1:11:17folks in the community are signing up
1:11:19for the community warning system
1:11:22and stressing that
1:11:24it takes about 10 minutes
1:11:26uh
1:11:27to do that to get
1:11:28uh your
1:11:30your phone registered so a lot of folks
1:11:32don't have uh landlines in their home
1:11:34and that's
1:11:35landlines that don't go through a cable
1:11:37provider that's
1:11:39just you know
1:11:41so anything like your cell phone or or
1:11:43cable provided uh phone service
1:11:46needs to be registered on the early
1:11:48warning system and like i said it takes
1:11:50about takes about 10 minutes to do that
1:11:53and then early evacuation so we've been
1:11:56really talking about and tying that to
1:11:58the ready set go program
1:12:00um and getting folks out early not
1:12:03waiting not
1:12:05you know getting out before we start
1:12:07getting um
1:12:09folks tied up in traffic jams and and
1:12:11those types of things
1:12:13so
1:12:15um we did talk say we were going to talk
1:12:17about the six key features uh one of the
1:12:20the first key feature is again
1:12:22protecting your home um and making sure
1:12:25that that your
1:12:26gutters are are free of leaves again
1:12:29we'll go back to those embers and how do
1:12:31those embers get in
1:12:32um
1:12:33vents decks
1:12:35free of leaves debris etc
1:12:41let me go back real quick
1:12:43and one of the things we've been
1:12:46also stressing is putting as something
1:12:49as simple as quarter in which is under
1:12:51the code um and we may be also looking
1:12:54at making a local amendment in our code
1:12:57uh as we adopt uh
1:12:59our upcoming fire code our our city fire
1:13:02code
1:13:03later in the year
1:13:05we may look to making it eighth inch but
1:13:07the code right now calls for quarter
1:13:09inch mesh screen
1:13:11in the high fire hazard area for for
1:13:14certainly for new homes
1:13:15but
1:13:16encouraging folks to put that quarter
1:13:19inch mesh screen over your vent openings
1:13:22uh so you can keep those embers out
1:13:25um
1:13:26so that that's that's
1:13:28you know again we're trying to do
1:13:29everything we can to keep keep the the
1:13:32embers out
1:13:33uh
1:13:34the second key feature is reducing the
1:13:36chance of ignition uh we talk about the
1:13:38first five zone or the first six um
1:13:42but that is really is going in and
1:13:44making sure that anything that a that's
1:13:47close by the house that embers can land
1:13:49in land in
1:13:51that
1:13:51uh they they're not allowed
1:13:54to uh to get going and then spread into
1:13:57your home so the one we've been
1:13:59discouraging is the one on the bottom
1:14:01left there um whereas we've got a large
1:14:03stand um that goes right up into the
1:14:06eaves so i mean if that was cut down to
1:14:08a much more manageable uh size then it
1:14:11wouldn't be as big a problem as it is in
1:14:13its current uh in its current condition
1:14:15there in that picture where it grows
1:14:17right up to the eaves embers land in
1:14:19there it gets going now it's crudding
1:14:21across the eaves and and unfortunately
1:14:23that house uh is now vulnerable
1:14:26another one is breaking the fuels path
1:14:28or changing the continuity um
1:14:31so
1:14:32the code calls for
1:14:34the first 100 feet so it says
1:14:37from
1:14:3830 to 100 feet we create
1:14:40um
1:14:42we reduce the fire we reduce the
1:14:44materials down but what do you do beyond
1:14:46that hundred feet uh
1:14:48and and taking out some of the
1:14:50number of plants thinning down um
1:14:53breaking the continuity so you're
1:14:55slowing it down the whole idea is to
1:14:57slow fire down so it doesn't uh doesn't
1:15:01you know hit full speed at something
1:15:04um
1:15:04dead and dying materials removing dead
1:15:07down materials
1:15:09is a big one so
1:15:10one of the big ones we've been stressing
1:15:12is that's not good that's not good and
1:15:15that's not good
1:15:16so um
1:15:18but really uh if it's dead and down if
1:15:20something's uh
1:15:21um
1:15:23you know needs to be removed then then
1:15:25we should be taking the action uh
1:15:27to remove it and making sure that those
1:15:29embers can't get in there again we're
1:15:30trying to protect you know the property
1:15:33from the embers again we've talked about
1:15:35ladder fuels and that we don't you know
1:15:38we it is a key feature but keeping it
1:15:40out of the trees that's that's a big one
1:15:42for us so um so give you a before and
1:15:44after there uh picture we have a before
1:15:48uh and then
1:15:50believe it or not that's the same
1:15:51property on the right and the after and
1:15:53so we don't want the one on the left we
1:15:55want the one on the right
1:15:57um and then the last one is reducing the
1:15:59fuel loads and that's when we get into
1:16:01the dry grasses and the materials and
1:16:03the dead materials
1:16:04etc
1:16:06ready set go program again is a cal fire
1:16:08program comprehensive
1:16:10uh it's got um
1:16:12training videos so many of the things
1:16:14we're talking about uh
1:16:16folks can go right to that and get the
1:16:18same things worked we've been talking
1:16:19about we've been encouraging that that's
1:16:21the website there ready for wildfire.org
1:16:24it does have a free mobile app so you
1:16:26can get it right on your phone um but we
1:16:28have been stressing folks to you to uh
1:16:31to follow that
1:16:32um and again it talks about you know
1:16:35again the ready set and the go and and
1:16:38along the lines that we've been talking
1:16:40about you know how to harden your house
1:16:43uh what to have done a go kit and then
1:16:45you know getting out early talking a lot
1:16:47about early evacuation
1:16:49as we talked about earlier we do have
The presentation explained how fire spreads and what homeowners can change.
The aim above all: “keep those fires from… the crown” — once a fire reaches the tree canopy, suppression depends on what Cal Fire can send, “we may get a lot, we may get a little.”
Three ways fire spreads: direct flame impingement, where unmaintained brush against a house “creates enough heat” to ignite it; radiant heat; and embers landing “right up to the eaves.”
Inspectors cannot enter private property, so he urged neighbors to report known hazards next door; the annual inspections were “amassing quite a list.”
Beyond the code's 100 feet: “breaking the fuels path or changing the continuity… thinning down… the whole idea is to slow fire down so it doesn't hit full speed.”
The department was also working with Moraga-Orinda Fire on early detection, “increasing our gis mapping creating zones for evacuation.”
Residents were urged to register cell and internet phones with the county warning system, about ten minutes' work, and to screen vents with quarter-inch mesh; the city might require eighth-inch locally.
Keeping fire out of the tree crown is the priority, because once there suppression depends on aerial support — “we may get a lot we may get a little.” Inspectors cannot enter private property, so neighbors are asked to report hazards.
10 Seven hundred on the list captions 1894–2293
1:16:51vegetation management standards
1:16:53those vegetation management standards
1:16:55have been in place for a number of years
1:16:58and our program has been in place since
1:17:011992 is when we started that program
1:17:04um
1:17:05and we've been very aggressive with that
1:17:08and
1:17:09again this year
1:17:11i will just tell you right now our fire
1:17:13prevention officer is predicting that
1:17:15he's going to have an initial list of
1:17:16700
1:17:18and that is
1:17:20extraordinary
1:17:21for us
1:17:22to have on a list of properties now what
1:17:25we're hoping is through our initial
1:17:27notices that
1:17:29those reduce down by the time we come to
1:17:30council on july 16th um because we don't
1:17:34want you to have to order the abatement
1:17:35on 700 properties um
1:17:38but uh right now that's based that's
1:17:41what it's trending towards is 700 uh 700
1:17:44properties
1:17:45um
1:17:46and we're hoping we can through
1:17:49education and and and efforts in the
1:17:51community that we can get that down
1:17:52before we come to we come to you but it
1:17:55does talk about um you know what the
1:17:57purpose of and many of the things we've
1:17:58been talking about
1:18:00um
1:18:00the background on it does come from
1:18:02state law ab-337
1:18:04does define the fire high fire hazard
1:18:06severity zone and what we're trying to
1:18:08accomplish so really that's what we've
1:18:10been
1:18:11really out there and really stressing
1:18:13it's a seven page document it does get
1:18:15mailed when we when we notice everybody
1:18:17in the community um so they do have the
1:18:20full uh standards um and again we're
1:18:23more than happy to go out talk with
1:18:25folks
1:18:27and we're hoping when they get a note
1:18:28when when somebody does receive that
1:18:30notice that they do uh contact us
1:18:35before we come before we come to council
1:18:36on july 16th because really that's the
1:18:39only way they're going to get off the
1:18:40list and and uh once they're on it's the
1:18:43they got to bring it to standard and
1:18:44then
1:18:46call us to get reinspected to get off
1:18:48the list and
1:18:49notify us
1:18:51as far as ongoing cooperating projects
1:18:53we've been letting everybody know that
1:18:56you know we're all in this together and
1:18:58we really are uh what what one community
1:19:01does helps us um
1:19:04and what we do helps another community
1:19:06and we're all in it working together
1:19:08um
1:19:09many of you have heard the uh the the
1:19:12moraga rinda uh shaded fuel break uh
1:19:15that's which is a four million dollar
1:19:16project that's being done it's a 14
1:19:19miles of
1:19:21shaded fuel break
1:19:23that will run
1:19:25basically from
1:19:27pleasant hill road on highway 24
1:19:30and all the way to inspiration point and
1:19:32then there's talks of extending it even
1:19:34further um
1:19:36big project um and it helps us um
1:19:40because any fire that would come from
1:19:42that direction out of the east like that
1:19:43on a on a east wind uh would be critical
1:19:46for us to get to eliminate that
1:19:50that break slows things down
1:19:52east bay regional parks
1:19:54has begun work all along our ridgeline
1:19:57we have three projects that touch el
1:19:59cerrito in in kensington and and
1:20:02we've outlined those with everybody uh
1:20:04in our presentations cal fire uh has
1:20:08been a great partner again half a
1:20:10billion dollars got pushed to them from
1:20:12uh the governor and uh heard a report
1:20:14from cal fire today and they were saying
1:20:17good thing is they got a half a billion
1:20:18dollars
1:20:19bad thing is they got a half a billion
1:20:20dollars because now they got to figure
1:20:22out you know how to you know allocate
1:20:24all that
1:20:25um
1:20:26pg e was there our meeting today when we
1:20:29were reviewing the uh
1:20:31cwpp uh project um
1:20:34and we're talking about their projects
1:20:36and i think a lot of folks have heard
1:20:38about that um
1:20:40and they did say in the meeting today
1:20:42that if the thresholds of the uh weather
1:20:46get reached there reach their uh the
1:20:48conditions that they deem to be unsafe
1:20:50they will shut down the power
1:20:52and they've stressed that again today in
1:20:54the meeting they are out doing community
1:20:56um
1:20:59clearances and uh taking it to an
1:21:01extraordinary standard and then the last
1:21:03one was our hillside natural area and
1:21:05we've talked about a lot about that and
1:21:07what we're doing we've been working a
1:21:09lot with uh cal fire and with a
1:21:13delta crew and fuel reduction crews in
1:21:15our
1:21:16contractor that we've worked with
1:21:19to modify the fuels and i think that's
1:21:21an ongoing project it's going to be an
1:21:23ongoing project and then our folks in
1:21:25there doing the burns so um
1:21:29again i wanted to give you a modified
1:21:31version
1:21:32and
1:21:33keep it under 30 minutes i've been
1:21:35running a clock here so i made sure that
1:21:36i was under 30 minutes
1:21:40but because we we've been doing these
1:21:41and they've been going two and a half
1:21:42three hours i mean so i mean there's a
1:21:44lot to talk about and the community is
1:21:46is very engaged in this and and so um we
1:21:49can talk a lot about this and and so uh
1:21:52wanted to get that out there again the
1:21:54main thing i want to stress on this one
1:21:55is if you have questions please feel
1:21:58free call our fire prevention office
1:22:00number's on the screen there and we're
1:22:02happy to come out and and take a look be
1:22:04patient with us because it's fire hazard
1:22:06abatement season and we're we're really
1:22:08busy right now but we'll get out there
1:22:11thank you very much all right you have
1:22:13questions from the council members
1:22:15councilmember
1:22:16um yes uh i know uh but we did not get
1:22:20the
1:22:21approved for
1:22:23the last
1:22:25application but
1:22:27know that our senator skinner and
1:22:29assembly member buffy wicks
1:22:32i spoke to both of them and
1:22:34they're going to back us up
1:22:36and the the next one that uh will be
1:22:38sent out and i know uh councilmember
1:22:41lyman mary potem lyman has been very
1:22:43active on that as well so i just want to
1:22:46thank you both for uh making sure that
1:22:48uh we get in there and
1:22:50we apply for all those grants my
1:22:52understanding my understanding from the
1:22:54meeting today there is much more grant
1:22:56funding
1:22:57that it was going to come available and
1:22:59one i'm i'm really interested in i want
1:23:01to get some more information before i
1:23:03i talk about it but uh
1:23:06there's one in particular that sounds
1:23:08very intriguing that that may include us
1:23:11uh
1:23:12in its own unique way so i'm i'm looking
1:23:15forward to that right thank you i have
1:23:17one question um looking at the maps of
1:23:20the berkeley el cerrito that you had in
1:23:22the beginning and you see by the hotel
1:23:27by the resort there
1:23:28there's a whole grove of eucalyptus
1:23:30trees why are those trees still there
1:23:32since that was part of the fire back and
1:23:36every time there's been a fire in the
1:23:37berkeley oak and hills that's always
1:23:39been in that area why do they still let
1:23:41residents keep their eucalyptus trees
1:23:45yeah i we we spent a lot of time in our
1:23:47meetings talking about trees and and one
1:23:49of the things that we've been you know
1:23:51had a lot of conversation on is
1:23:53in the fire code
1:23:56it doesn't really give us a lot of
1:23:59latitude in
1:24:00cutting down um
1:24:04a live healthy tree
1:24:05um it talks more about
1:24:08removing ladder fuels you know if the
1:24:11way the fire code kind of addresses it
1:24:13is is if you take out all the ladder
1:24:15fuels and you limb the tree up and you
1:24:17take out everything below it then the
1:24:19tree is a non-hazard in the by the fire
1:24:21code so
1:24:23um
1:24:24now something is dead and dying and we
1:24:25know that there's a lot of trees in
1:24:27california that have you know have
1:24:29become dead and dying we understand that
1:24:31then there is some latitude there but um
1:24:35we we have spent a lot of time talking
1:24:37about that
1:24:38um in that
1:24:40you know ordering the abatement of a of
1:24:43a of a quote-unquote live healthy tree
1:24:46is really there's not a lot of a lot of
1:24:48latitude for us in the in the code to do
1:24:50that
1:24:51thank you
1:24:52thanks man
1:24:54um well first of all i want to thank you
1:24:57for
1:24:58i suspect that this is just the
1:25:01tip of the iceberg in terms of the
1:25:03amount of work that you're doing
1:25:05on this and i think our community as a
1:25:08whole
1:25:09uh
1:25:10did they
1:25:11if they even all knew would really
1:25:13appreciate it and i think we up here
1:25:15certainly do i know i do
1:25:17um
1:25:18so if we were interested if we are
1:25:20somebody we know was interested or or
1:25:24anyone in town was interested in
1:25:28you know doing things like cutting
1:25:30bushes down to whatever height
1:25:33you know you showed is there a document
1:25:36we could put on our website
1:25:39that could direct them
1:25:40to information on how to yeah the
1:25:42vegetation management standards are on
1:25:44the website currently and where
1:25:46i mean where on the website they're
1:25:48they're on they're on the fire i know
1:25:49they're i know if you go to the fire
1:25:51department side of them yeah okay
1:25:54so
1:25:55would it be maybe um
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1:25:58are we advertising that to the community
1:26:01um
1:26:02or could we advertise it in a simple way
1:26:05well i have it in our news our quarterly
1:26:07newsletter for example
1:26:09we could we could it's yeah we could
1:26:12there's nothing wrong we most definitely
1:26:13could do that
1:26:14but they are on the website and again if
1:26:16we do send someone a notice
1:26:19we do
1:26:20provide them with that seven with that
1:26:22seven page document that says
1:26:25you know this is how you're you're not
1:26:27in compliance
1:26:28this is how you come into compliance
1:26:30this is what you have to do
1:26:31to
1:26:33remove the vegetation
1:26:34okay so and
1:26:37education is i mean being out in the
1:26:39community and doing these that's that
1:26:40was part of our uh rcwpp um
1:26:45and we wanted to make sure that you know
1:26:47that that we're doing that and
1:26:49uh
1:26:50it's an effort that we have we have to i
1:26:52mean as we again we're in this all
1:26:54together and
1:26:55we have to all work together to to be
1:26:57out there and and and
1:27:00getting folks to understand what we need
1:27:02done and
1:27:03and and how we can help them do it
1:27:05and i had one last question it seems to
1:27:07me recently
1:27:09anytime there's been a really
1:27:11bad fire
1:27:13the thing it's immediately preceded by
1:27:16are what i think of as wild winds
1:27:19uh crazy winds that are not the normal
1:27:22ones
1:27:23that are kind of going all over
1:27:26uh and
1:27:27there are things that we hear you know
1:27:29if i look on my
1:27:31email i will see a notice about it
1:27:34if i turn on the tv i will hear a notice
1:27:37about it
1:27:38and
1:27:39is that
1:27:41is that a phenomenon is that the diablo
1:27:44wind is that what that is
1:27:46for for us in this area the one we worry
1:27:48about is the diabolo winds
1:27:52we have seen in the last couple years an
1:27:54increased number of
1:27:55quote unquote what we call red flag days
1:27:58red flag days being severe fire weather
1:28:01um which for us puts on extra we put on
1:28:04extra staffing we do patrols uh we
1:28:06restrict certain um
1:28:09things in the community like open
1:28:11burning
1:28:12cutting of metal those types of things
1:28:14are not allowed um
1:28:17we have seen more of those um
1:28:20we all you know
1:28:21that making sure that people are noticed
1:28:24on those and
1:28:25the media has been very good about
1:28:27getting that out we do fly the flags at
1:28:28the station we put the boards out um
1:28:32in the community letting everybody know
1:28:34that that we do have severe weather so
1:28:36but really what we're looking for with
1:28:38that and what we've been stressing with
1:28:39these presentations is
1:28:41making sure that everybody raises their
1:28:44awareness especially on those days so if
1:28:47it's one of those days are there things
1:28:49we should do on our own property
1:28:52that day
1:28:53well one of the things we we probably
1:28:55should look at on something like that is
1:28:57to limit or uh eliminate open bur no
1:29:01open burning
1:29:02um of any type we don't want anything
1:29:05like that going on in just again being
1:29:08aware that you know we do have severe
1:29:11weather um and
1:29:13you know that
1:29:14small fire can now lead to a lot bigger
1:29:17fire just because of those factors the
1:29:19wind
1:29:20the relative humidity the heat so
1:29:23i think just everybody raising their
1:29:25awareness on those days and if they see
1:29:27something that's not right then you know
1:29:29reporting it i think those are the big
1:29:31things
1:29:32thank you
1:29:34council member fidelity
1:29:36oh yeah thank you again me
1:29:38too want to thank you
1:29:41if that makes sense for all the work
1:29:43you're doing i'm noticing it it's
1:29:44incredible um i agree we need to let
1:29:47people know more about it and i think
1:29:48maybe an easier way on our website right
1:29:50away when you open the website to see
1:29:53what we can do like the other things
1:29:54that we rotate on the website would be
1:29:56very helpful
1:29:58i remember as a kid at the bottom of
1:30:01barrett
1:30:03never seeing my dad so mad is when my
1:30:05brother stuck a sparkler into a juniper
1:30:07bush and it went up
1:30:09to the sky the fire the fire crew was
1:30:12out immediately
1:30:14but that's one reason i think if we can
1:30:16help people help themselves
1:30:19in this town that would be great and i
1:30:20think coming out i think there's a new
1:30:23ordinance coming out about certain
1:30:24plants we should or should not plant
1:30:26i'll be anxious to see what that looks
1:30:27like to see if we have some prohibitions
1:30:31on there
1:30:32and i think you'd agree that whether
1:30:34it's rebates through measure v which i
1:30:36would support and other things that
1:30:38transfer property things that we can do
1:30:40that just make every neighborhood every
1:30:42house more safe would be a great thing
1:30:45um how many more uh meetings are you
1:30:48going to be doing this year because i i
1:30:50love your meetings
1:30:51uh at this point almost crowded so yeah
1:30:54at this point we don't have any more
1:30:56scheduled we can certainly look to to do
1:30:59more at this point we don't have any
The fire marshal forecast the scale of that summer's abatement.
His prediction: “our fire prevention officer is predicting that he's going to have an initial list of 700, and that is extraordinary for us.”
His hope: education would reduce it before the 16 July hearing, “because we don't want you to have to order the abatement on 700 properties.”
Quinto reported support from the local senator and assembly member for fire grant applications, after one had been rejected.
PG&E had stressed that day: if weather thresholds are reached, “they will shut down the power.”
In the Hillside Natural Area the department was working with Cal Fire and a Delta inmate crew.
Asked whether the compliance standards were advertised, the marshal said anyone noticed receives “that seven page document that says… this is how you come into compliance.”
The Mayor asked why eucalyptus near the Claremont remained; the marshal said the fire code gives little latitude to order removal of a live, healthy tree once ladder fuels are cleared. Fadelli said he would support Measure V rebates for fire safety.
The fire marshal predicts “an initial list of 700 and that is extraordinary for us,” and hopes education will reduce it before the 16 July hearing. The fire code gives little latitude to order removal of live, healthy trees.
11 Voice over internet captions 2294–2712
1:31:01more on the on the books per se
1:31:04but we can certainly
1:31:06we should start thinking about it we can
1:31:08certainly do that yeah we can certainly
1:31:09do that and i um talk to staff about
1:31:12trying to get pg e to come talk to us
1:31:14about their policies because they're an
1:31:15important factor in the bay area and if
1:31:17they're going to be turning off our
1:31:18energy we need to know what to do about
1:31:20those things okay so and staff's been
1:31:23very uh
1:31:24receptive to that thank you very much
1:31:27councilmember yeah thank you very much
1:31:29for your presentation tonight there's a
1:31:31couple of uh
1:31:32questions i want to
1:31:33chase down just to
1:31:35help our residents know what they can do
1:31:39one of them was the voice over internet
1:31:41provider
1:31:43there are many people that are moved
1:31:45away from the copper wire connected to
1:31:47the home and they're going with the
1:31:49voice over internet provider
1:31:52that's unlike the traditional phone that
1:31:55was naturally registered with
1:31:57emergencies those are not and
1:32:00i'm assuming that there's a simple way
1:32:02that we can educate people to get those
1:32:04connected yeah the the
1:32:07anybody wants
1:32:08you can log on to the contra costa
1:32:10county community warning system website
1:32:14you can register i believe at one time
1:32:16you can register three devices off of
1:32:18at one time
1:32:20so
1:32:21cell phone oftentimes we have people
1:32:22sitting
1:32:23we will challenge people right in the
1:32:25class i mean to to do it and a lot of
1:32:27folks have done it while they did
1:32:29sitting in in the in the uh sessions and
1:32:31they'll go right on their phone and
1:32:33register their their cell phone um
1:32:36their their their cable provided
1:32:38um phone in their home and they'll have
1:32:41them all done and you know it's almost
1:32:43like they're doing having a race and
1:32:44they'll raise their hand i got it done
1:32:46so
1:32:46yeah that's great but can we get it into
1:32:48the news and views to ride people
1:32:50because i think most people think of
1:32:53their phone as being
1:32:55already registered because they were
1:32:56they came up with the landline
1:32:59for the
1:33:00cell phones
1:33:01do the community alerts
1:33:04override any do not disturb
1:33:07notations that are on cell phones they
1:33:09do not to my knowledge they also we also
1:33:12cleared up others wanted so was a
1:33:14misconception that they also would come
1:33:16in like say an amber alert where they
1:33:19would start you know with a with with
1:33:22with a distinct sound or um or tone and
1:33:25they do not um
1:33:27it's it's but you can my understanding
1:33:29is you can take
1:33:31um
1:33:32when you're in the do not disturb it we
1:33:34have spent some time talking about that
1:33:36and
1:33:38if you have that number provided by them
1:33:40you can let certain numbers through
1:33:43uh in a in a do not disturb mode so you
1:33:46could program that in
1:33:49whereas if you even if you're do not
1:33:51disturb that that phone number is
1:33:53allowed to come through
1:33:54um and give you that same notice even in
1:33:56the do not disturb mode that that would
1:33:59be very again useful information to get
1:34:01out to our residents so they're better
1:34:02prepared to respond when you need them
1:34:05to respond because if i heard you
1:34:07correctly people need to to do what you
1:34:10ask them to do when you ask them to do
1:34:12it so that they're no longer
1:34:15a vulnerable asset that would distract
1:34:18your ability to fight a fire where you
1:34:20have to go off and rescue them and the
1:34:22key for the for that is we're looking at
1:34:24early evacuation uh not
1:34:27waiting you know getting folks out and
1:34:30that's one of the reasons why behind
1:34:31that program we're talking about
1:34:33building in the zones through the gis
1:34:35mapping um
1:34:37in in creating those zones so we can
1:34:40much more easily
1:34:41go to community warning and say
1:34:44you know uh
1:34:46here's an immediate notification to zone
1:34:49five immediate evacuation ten-minute
1:34:52notice to zone four you know and however
1:34:54we break it you know it gets broken down
1:34:56on the g on the map
1:34:57and
1:34:58get a much more orderly uh evacuation
1:35:02plan in place in using today's
1:35:04technology to do that excellent
1:35:06um
1:35:07councilmember quinto mentioned the grant
1:35:10applications we you put in two grant
1:35:12applications one in december and maybe
1:35:14another one in january or february time
1:35:16frame can you give us i heard that one
1:35:18of them potentially was uh
1:35:21not approved but it were both not
1:35:23approved what's the status of i put in
1:35:25for one um i was the author of one um i
1:35:28did get a notice that that it didn't get
1:35:30funded um that one was for a 250
1:35:33thousand dollars to do work in the
1:35:35hillside natural area i'm i'm not aware
1:35:38i believe uh
1:35:40another department i believe public
1:35:42works uh in the put together the other
1:35:44one
1:35:45but that was not authored by the fire
1:35:46department i i put together the one um
1:35:49and like you know as i said earlier uh
1:35:52we are being told today in the meeting
1:35:54um
1:35:55that there are more opportunities that
1:35:57are out on the on the horizon and we
1:35:59will be
1:36:00we will be there to file for uh on
1:36:02behalf of the city
1:36:04excellent my last question is about the
1:36:06pg e uh
1:36:07[Music]
1:36:09very clearly for
1:36:11lots of reasons um potentially needing
1:36:13to shut down high high power
1:36:16transmission
1:36:17lines so the the threat to
1:36:20start a fire may not be here it could be
1:36:23somewhere along the transmission system
1:36:25and
1:36:27as a result
1:36:28our power is shut down
1:36:30and the question i have is
1:36:32with regards to the vulnerable
1:36:34populations that depend on electricity
1:36:38for
1:36:39for their lives for their you know for
1:36:40their living
1:36:42what
1:36:43do we know where these populations are
1:36:46in el cerrito do we do we
1:36:48know potentially which
1:36:50homes are
1:36:52going to need some type of
1:36:55electrical intervention and whether
1:36:57they're preparing them for themselves i
1:37:00know there's a way for folks to writ to
1:37:02register or to make themselves known to
1:37:05pg e in regards to that um
1:37:09how did how exactly to do that would be
1:37:11something we'd have to look into further
1:37:14maybe even in again as you mentioned
1:37:16earlier get
1:37:18get pg e to make a presentation here i
1:37:20think or make a presentation in you know
1:37:23to the
1:37:24to the community on
1:37:25um exactly how
1:37:27uh their program is going to work and
1:37:29how people can simply register for for
1:37:32something like that um and be included
1:37:35in that but i know there is some
1:37:37provisions in there in their shutdown
1:37:39plan for that yeah the the news articles
1:37:42of on around this topic
1:37:44had huge disparities between what the
1:37:46cpu cpuc the california public utilities
1:37:48commission thought and pg e thought were
1:37:51were the number of households that were
1:37:54dependent on electricity in some fashion
1:37:56so it would be
1:37:57i'm not certain i would trust pg e's
1:37:59number
1:38:00or that the california public utilities
1:38:02commission's numbers and
1:38:04so my question is
1:38:05you know what can el cerrito fire el
1:38:07cerrito city do with regards to this
1:38:10topic
1:38:10um and you don't you don't need to have
1:38:13an answer tonight uh because i clearly
1:38:16we've not thought about this but maybe
1:38:18there's a way to get
1:38:20the public to register with the fire
1:38:23department if they're going to
1:38:24need some level of
1:38:28assistance
1:38:29when the power goes out because that
1:38:31that i'm assuming they would call you
1:38:33if the power goes out because i think
1:38:35would probably be the first ones they
1:38:36would call i mean imagine if you're
1:38:38dependent on that and
1:38:39your power is shut down someone's going
1:38:42to activate the 911 system and
1:38:44you know we would be and then
1:38:46you know i think that
1:38:48depending on the the how widespread that
1:38:50is
1:38:51you know then that
1:38:52that puts triggers different things in
1:38:54our response system too
1:38:56to
1:38:57now the number of calls that would
1:38:59generate uh
1:39:00uh to help folks that were in need uh
1:39:03and we will be the first ones that they
1:39:04will call so right so i just wanted it
1:39:06does it does help us in in knowing and
1:39:09working with them so that's that is
1:39:11something we every community and
1:39:13certainly us uh as one of those that
1:39:15needs to work on getting that identified
1:39:18thank you for recognizing it and i'm i
1:39:20know you'll
1:39:22take a personal action item out of this
1:39:24meeting so thank you
1:39:25thank you okay thank you very much for
1:39:27your presentation
1:39:29i certainly appreciate it and i just
1:39:31wanted to take a minute to
1:39:34address the public and particularly our
1:39:36fire safe group that has been coming to
1:39:38all of these meetings and
1:39:40to thank you for all the work that
1:39:42you've done and
1:39:44just to
1:39:45let you know that even though it seems
1:39:47like things are moving slowly behind the
1:39:49scenes we are definitely working on this
1:39:51topic
1:39:52and um personally i have been
1:39:56addressing this topic every time i get a
1:39:57chance to to talk with staff about it i
1:39:59do so
1:40:01you are being heard and we are working
1:40:03on it and we are thinking about what
1:40:04we're going to do with our measure v
1:40:06funds
1:40:07to hopefully
1:40:09mitigate problems that will be coming
1:40:11and
1:40:12thank you for the firefighters working
1:40:15on the burns and with cal fire and with
1:40:17all of the vegetation
1:40:19removal that you have done and we do
1:40:22want to come up with a very
1:40:24specific plan on what we can do next how
1:40:26we can make our
1:40:28our city more fire safe and the more
1:40:30specific our plans are as you've seen
1:40:33we'll be able to hopefully get more
1:40:36grant money so that we can do these
1:40:38items one by one as they come along
1:40:42and so i just wanted to let you know
1:40:44that because i know that we don't really
1:40:45get a chance to interact while you're
1:40:47doing public comment
1:40:49next i i would just like to say i wanted
1:40:52to echo what
1:40:54mayor pro tem lyman said in terms of
1:40:58the the community being able to know
1:41:00exactly where to go
1:41:02i'm still
1:41:03slightly unclear um
1:41:05you want to go to the contra costa
1:41:07county website to sign up for emergency
1:41:10notifications contra costa county
1:41:11community warning system okay right cws
1:41:14is
1:41:16if you if you search for cws the contra
1:41:18costa county cws it'll come up okay
1:41:22very very simple registration process
1:41:25it's not cumbersome at all yeah i
1:41:26believe that i did that a few years ago
1:41:28but i think one of the things like just
1:41:30from these meetings where we've had
1:41:31presentations before i was a little
1:41:33confused on
1:41:35um if it was that or or if what like if
1:41:38nixle was something that would work in
1:41:40that scenario so this is a separate
1:41:43thing that you need specifically from
1:41:45the county emergency system okay in the
1:41:48event of an emergency like that that we
1:41:50would contact them and say this is the
1:41:53zone or the area or geographic area that
1:41:56we would want evacuated that would
1:41:58trigger the automated message
1:42:01to start the evacuation as opposed to
1:42:04uh
1:42:04your normal nixel alert i mean i'm you
1:42:07can concurrently a nix alert may come
1:42:09out but we would activate the community
1:42:12warning system in that regard okay i
1:42:15know that a lot of community members
1:42:16have signed up for nixle so if there
1:42:19could be a maybe a way of doing both of
1:42:22having a nixel alert when one of these
1:42:25community alerts goes out that way that
1:42:27we could
1:42:28reach people once or reach them twice i
1:42:30mean i think the more times you reach
1:42:32someone in a
1:42:33in a disaster scenario the better
1:42:35we do send out the nixel alerts to for
1:42:37all of our red anybody that's registered
1:42:39we do send out uh
1:42:41the red flag days we we do let people
1:42:44know um on those days whoever the duty
1:42:46battalion chief is that day
1:42:48um or the day prior to when we know it's
1:42:51coming as we send that notification out
1:42:53so you can receive on the red you know
1:42:55the red flag notices that way too great
1:42:58and do you know with the uh county
1:43:01emergency system do they call you more
1:43:03than once
1:43:05i don't believe so i believe that it's
1:43:07it's it's a mess it's an automated
1:43:09message that comes over once and it can
1:43:11be done via text you when you register
1:43:13you can do it via text you can also do
1:43:15it via voice
1:43:16um or via um
1:43:19yeah a regular telephone call
1:43:22but i don't believe it does multiple
1:43:24calls okay because i did notice and this
1:43:26is my this we might be able to provide
1:43:28feedback to the emergency system that
1:43:31we're using
1:43:32i know that on my cell phone um they're
1:43:34on the do not disturb settings
1:43:37you there's just one little switch you
1:43:39can flip on and it says if anybody calls
1:43:41two times within three minutes the call
1:43:43will go through
1:43:45so it might be worthwhile for the
1:43:47emergency system to call
1:43:49more than once if people have that set
1:43:51up
1:43:52another suggestion for the council too
1:43:54is that they do have outreach folks for
1:43:57community warning system that do come
1:43:59out and they could make also a
1:44:01presentation and give you some more
1:44:03in-depth information on that i've done
1:44:05some joint presentations in the past
1:44:07with their outreach folks and
1:44:10they run you know they know the ins and
1:44:13outs of the entire system and
1:44:15and can give you some you know much more
1:44:17detailed information on it but they do
1:44:19have outreach folks that could come out
1:44:21in a future presentation for you okay
1:44:23that sounds really good i'd i'd like
1:44:25city staff to make a note of that so
1:44:27that we can discuss it later and see if
1:44:28we could have a presentation by them
1:44:30okay thank you
1:44:32um all right um and with that let me see
1:44:36yeah i think that's all of my questions
1:44:38for now so thank you very much and we'll
1:44:40move on to public comment
1:44:42we do not have any speakers on this item
1:44:44okay
1:44:45oh we have one person that
1:44:49certainly if you could just state your
1:44:50name for the record please mary else
1:44:51reader resident i just wanted to thank
1:44:53dave gibson for his wonderful
1:44:55presentation even the abbreviated
1:44:57version was awesome and i noticed that
1:44:59he did have your attention like he has
1:45:01the attention of other audiences that
1:45:03i've seen
1:45:04as a member of el srito fire safe i
1:45:07would like to lobby the council to have
1:45:10this presentation perhaps made available
1:45:13during the 4th of july
1:45:14celebration um in
1:45:18vista park i think it'd be very timely
1:45:20it's a great audience he'd have access
1:45:22to a lot of people
1:45:23just put it up for thoughts
1:45:25thank you
1:45:26thank you
1:45:29okay do we have any um further questions
1:45:32from the council on this item
1:45:35no
1:45:36all right um
1:45:38with that we will move on thank you very
1:45:40much i appreciate your presentation once
1:45:42again and once again yes we are working
1:45:45on all of these issues
Questions turned to how warnings reach people who have dropped landlines.
Lyman: many residents “are moved away from the copper wire connected to the home and they're going with the voice over internet provider that's unlike the traditional phone that was naturally registered with emergencies.”
The marshal: residents can register up to three devices on the county warning system website, and calls do not override do-not-disturb unless the number is allowed through.
Fadelli had asked staff to bring PG&E to explain its shutoff policies: “if they're going to be turning off our energy we need to know what to do.”
Lyman asked what the city knew about residents who depend on electricity for medical needs, and suggested they register with the fire department.
A councilmember reassured residents that Measure V spending on mitigation was being discussed.
The vision for zoned evacuation: “an immediate notification to zone five, immediate evacuation; ten-minute notice to zone four” — a sequenced departure mapped in GIS.
On grants: the marshal's $250,000 application for Hillside Natural Area work had not been funded; another had come from public works.
A councilmember noted “the more specific our plans are… we'll be able to hopefully get more grant money.”
On alerts: the county's Community Warning System would be triggered by the city specifying a zone, alongside the more familiar Nixle alerts — and a councilmember asked that both be used, since many residents had signed up for Nixle.
The EBMUD presentation followed.
Residents who switch from copper landlines to internet phones are not automatically registered for emergency calls. The department plans GIS evacuation zones so it can order “immediate evacuation” zone by zone.
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1:45:48next we have a brief presentation from
1:45:51the east bay municipal utilities
1:45:53district
1:45:54a presentation in the fiscal year 2020
1:45:582021
1:46:00and we have uh director katz thank you
1:46:03for joining us this evening
1:46:06thank you mayor purdue okamoto i'm andy
1:46:09katz i'm your representative on the east
1:46:11bay mud board of directors i do have a
1:46:13presentation that i believe our staff
1:46:16have
1:46:16shared with you
1:46:34uh thank you once again uh mayor purdue
1:46:36okamoto and members of the city council
1:46:39for the opportunity to present to you
1:46:41about
1:46:42east bay mud today and tomorrow uh this
1:46:44is
1:46:45probably my fourth or fifth time
1:46:46presenting to this council in the 13
1:46:49years that i have 12 and a quarter years
1:46:50that i've served on the east bay
1:46:52mudboard and it's a pleasure to be back
1:46:55again and i'm happy to tell you about
1:46:57what the district is doing and uh answer
1:47:00any questions that you have um as you
1:47:02know water and sanitation are the
1:47:05backbone of our civilization and east
1:47:08bay mud has a proud history of providing
1:47:10water and wastewater for the 1.3 million
1:47:13residents in our service area actually
1:47:15it's up to 1.4 million customers now in
1:47:18alameda and contra costa counties and we
1:47:21also have wastewater treatment services
1:47:23that protect san francisco bay and serve
1:47:26nearly 700 000 customers
1:47:29for our wastewater treatment
1:47:31we
1:47:32have had a wet winter and it is still
1:47:35raining
1:47:36and our water supply is in excellent
1:47:39condition this year even though it was
1:47:41followed by a dry year
1:47:43so
1:47:44uh
1:47:45excuse me what i meant to say is our
1:47:46water supply will will be in excellent
1:47:48condition even if we have a dry year
1:47:50following this one so we had such a wet
1:47:52year we are ending this year with the
1:47:55the most water that our
1:47:58operating agreements with resources
1:48:00agencies allow us to
1:48:02hold
1:48:03drought is always on the horizon though
1:48:04so east bay mud always takes steps to
1:48:07plan
1:48:08to secure
1:48:10our water supply for drought
1:48:13and water supply availability through
1:48:15strategic partnerships such as our
1:48:17freeport facility that's a
1:48:20intake facility just
1:48:22south of
1:48:23sacramento
1:48:25at freeport
1:48:26and our groundwater pilot program with
1:48:28silicon county neither of which are
1:48:30pictured here but are very exciting for
1:48:33for many years we had
1:48:35a a long-standing debate with the
1:48:37agricultural communities just east of
1:48:40stockton
1:48:41around what
1:48:43what makes sense as the as the ground uh
1:48:46subsided more than 70 feet in the
1:48:48northern san joaquin valley uh did it
1:48:51really make sense for those communities
1:48:53to continue to extract water while uh
1:48:56their their groundwater supplies and
1:48:58infrastructure crumbled and likewise we
1:49:01we would also find reasons to be able to
1:49:06use additional water in the wettest of
1:49:08what years like this one what if we had
1:49:10the opportunity in a year like this to
1:49:11be able to inject water into the
1:49:13groundwater basin
1:49:15unfortunately that project was not
1:49:17a complete for this year but this year
1:49:20is that kind of model year for what
1:49:22would we do
1:49:25with this project so a couple years ago
1:49:27we signed a moratorium
1:49:29excuse me a memorandum of understanding
1:49:32with uh the san joaquin uh valley uh
1:49:35water agencies uh multiple irrigation
1:49:38districts and and water districts in the
1:49:40northern san joaquin valley to be able
1:49:42to do a a a
1:49:44groundwater banking program just like
1:49:46that so i'm excited that
1:49:48we we are on track to be able to have
1:49:51this groundwater injection we're on
1:49:53track to have a pilot program very soon
1:49:56and our reach extends beyond quality
1:49:58water and wastewater services to help
1:50:00protect the environment for future
1:50:02generations and what you'll see is
1:50:04pictured here
1:50:05in the center you see the fish hatchery
1:50:07on the mccollumy river which has been in
1:50:09operation for decades but i think this
1:50:11is part of
1:50:13celebrating what we've just achieved
1:50:14with wild and scenic mccollumy river
1:50:17for many years we had a a a difficult
1:50:21debate amongst ourselves in the east bay
1:50:23community and with uh constituencies up
1:50:26country around what would we do with uh
1:50:28this uh uh 37 miles of the mccollumy
1:50:31river water watershed upstream from
1:50:33party reservoir uh that's truly wild and
1:50:36scenic i am so glad that governor brown
1:50:40signed our legislation to protect wild
1:50:42and scenic mccollumy river for future
1:50:44generations and it's not just the six
1:50:46miles that east bay mud could have
1:50:48flooded through a very um
1:50:51problematic decision that that an old
1:50:54board majority made uh but now uh the
1:50:57the the moment that we had uh really
1:50:59taught all of our stakeholders up the
1:51:01river for um
1:51:02those those full 37 miles that we have a
1:51:05heritage that we simply can't turn our
1:51:07backs on and i'm so glad that we'll be
1:51:09able to protect this river um in the
1:51:11future
1:51:12um the the hatchery is is really
1:51:15exciting because uh in a year like this
1:51:17we we really showed um the whole uh bay
1:51:20estuary that
1:51:22uh
1:51:22the
1:51:24in some ways this the the experience of
1:51:27having this hatchery supply uh over half
1:51:30of the fish that are flowing through the
1:51:32delta um on the one hand it shows that
1:51:35our delta estuary is really in danger of
1:51:38collapsing um because of the uh the
1:51:41challenges and having the right water
1:51:43quality
1:51:44consistent
1:51:45water
1:51:46flows for fresh water that sustain
1:51:50the the habitat there as well as other
1:51:52stressors affecting the delta um that
1:51:56we really are uh facing an estuary
1:51:58that's on the brink of collapse but
1:52:00on the other hand we we can be proud of
1:52:02the the function of our government um
1:52:04east bay mud has been able to
1:52:06uh sustain a a fish hatchery that's able
1:52:10to get returns so that the fish really
1:52:12do come home they spawn um where very
1:52:15close to where they're hatched here and
1:52:17uh
1:52:18the fish that we are hatching are um
1:52:21going out to sea and they're coming back
1:52:23and uh we're able to make this program
1:52:25work um and and
1:52:27be a a thriving part of what's keeping
1:52:30this estuary uh functioning
1:52:34also uh locally are the orson ridge
1:52:36conservation bank uh was uh finalized
1:52:39recently and protects 430 acres in the
1:52:43panol valley watershed and endangered
1:52:46local species like the red-legged frog
1:52:48in the alameda whip snake so so we we
1:52:51now have this area that is just north of
1:52:53here at one point in time
1:52:56the agency acquired this land thinking
1:52:57that it would be a site for a dam
1:53:00uh and so i'm glad that it will not be a
1:53:02reservoir it will not be flooded and is
1:53:04now and
1:53:06is now protected uh primarily for
1:53:08restoration of endangered species but it
1:53:11is also available for mitigation um for
1:53:13local development projects that do have
1:53:16incidental take uh we're able to
1:53:19allow for a reasonable growth in
1:53:21development in contra costa county that
1:53:23is um
1:53:24in in the same uh mitigation zone um
1:53:27that that this bank is able to serve so
1:53:29um we're able to
1:53:30have quality wetland habitat um but also
1:53:34uh allow uh governments to be able to
1:53:36function and and and have incidental
1:53:38take for necessary public works projects
1:53:42and our environmental protection program
1:53:45is
1:53:45i think most emblematic in our
1:53:47wastewater services so this is this is
1:53:50what protects san francisco bay uh from
1:53:52uh uh the pollution of our own uh
1:53:55organic waste uh as well as other uh
1:53:57metals and and other toxics that can be
1:53:59found through the wastewater process so
1:54:02uh our average flow um our water flow is
1:54:05uh right now at around 130 million
1:54:08gallons a day
1:54:09our wastewater flow is 50 million
1:54:11gallons a day serving communities from
1:54:13el cerrito in kensington south through
1:54:15uh oakland and in alameda
1:54:18so the objectives here are to protect
1:54:20public health protect the bay and and
1:54:22recover resources we don't see ourselves
1:54:24as just a wastewater treatment plant we
1:54:27we see ourselves as recovering all of
1:54:29the resources involved in wastewater
1:54:32particularly the methane gas that comes
1:54:34out of
1:54:35our organics as the they decompose so
1:54:38it's a fun conversation for anybody at
1:54:40home watching dinner during this
1:54:41presentation or eating dinner during
1:54:43this presentation
1:54:44um my my regrets but but it is it is
1:54:47important to share with you that our
1:54:49wastewater
1:54:50is is a
1:54:52top source of methane gas in in our
1:54:54infrastructure and methane is a very
1:54:56potent greenhouse gas over a 20-year
1:54:59time horizon it's 85 times
1:55:01more potent than carbon dioxide
1:55:04and and that's why we we were the first
1:55:07in the
1:55:08nation to create an infrastructure where
1:55:10we uh we now capture methane gas
1:55:13at the wastewater treatment plant and we
1:55:16also operate in conjunction with a 11
1:55:18megawatt power generation station so we
1:55:21are overall
1:55:23a net exporter of electricity so we we
1:55:26sell excess electricity to the port of
1:55:28oakland uh it may be available in future
1:55:30contracts to sell to marine clean energy
1:55:32or east bay clean power
1:55:35so that we're able to have precious base
1:55:37load electricity when our grid
1:55:40in the state of california starts to
1:55:42become more renewable and we need
1:55:44to make sure that we're powering
1:55:46ourselves with renewable energy so we we
1:55:49were able to recover the resources from
1:55:51our wastewater gas and we also take uh
1:55:53organics from local communities uh
1:55:56primarily uh our the current organics
1:55:58program is coming from san francisco and
1:56:01central contra costa county it has
1:56:03always been my my dream to see
1:56:05our organics from uh the actual cities
1:56:08that are closest to the wastewater
1:56:09treatment plant cooperate and
1:56:10participate together um so that i
1:56:13imagine if commercial food scraps from
1:56:15restaurants could make it to our
1:56:16wastewater treatment plant instead of
1:56:18decomposing in in a landfill or an open
1:56:21composting yard i think that's a vision
1:56:23that we could accomplish together
1:56:26and
1:56:28protecting the bay is also about making
1:56:30sure that the inflow and outflow um
1:56:34that that infiltration of storm water
1:56:36that is
1:56:37coming through decompo
1:56:39deteriorating pipes
1:56:41that that that
1:56:43is prevented and that we don't have a
1:56:46sudden storm event pushing waste water
1:56:49through
1:56:50our treatment system that was not
1:56:52intended to handle storm flow
1:56:54and to keep it from going into san
1:56:56francisco bay so as you know we have a
1:56:58consent decree that includes
1:57:00participation from all of the cities
1:57:03that are part of the east bay mud uh
1:57:04service area
1:57:06and uh we are supporting that consent
1:57:08decree by reducing stormwater
1:57:10infiltration and
1:57:12working with all of the cities to be
1:57:14able to
1:57:16reduce that infiltration of stormwater
1:57:18flow it's been a successful program so
1:57:21far
1:57:2231 000 certificates issued covering uh
1:57:25425 miles
1:57:28of lateral certified leak free and
1:57:31that's 24 of all properties
1:57:34i i do
1:57:35have some concern that we're reaching a
1:57:37peak of what the tool that we're using
1:57:39right now can do so
1:57:41the retrofit on resale approach got us
1:57:44pretty far pretty quick but it's
1:57:46leveling off i think coming pretty soon
1:57:48we need to be thinking about
1:57:50how do we go further than this because
1:57:51we do have some long-term milestones
1:57:54to meet the 2036 deadline to repair and
1:57:56replace our sewer lines uh reducing our
1:57:59amount of infiltration and inflow
1:58:02so that we don't have that partially
1:58:03treated sewage going into the san
1:58:05francisco bay during storms we're going
1:58:07to have to do better so unless the other
1:58:092 75 of homeowners are going to be
1:58:12selling their properties before then we
1:58:14have to come up with something else and
1:58:16that may mean that
1:58:17we we have some kind of uh larger
1:58:19program uh that that's uh more carefully
1:58:22designed uh or or having a date certain
1:58:25for for homeowners to be accountable to
1:58:27because we we all share this problem we
1:58:29none of us want raw sewage to go into
1:58:31the bay so we we have to see that the
1:58:33tool that we are using
1:58:35worked um but it's leveling off in its
1:58:37effectiveness so we're going to have to
1:58:39think more carefully what i'd like to
1:58:40share with you is that we uh we did some
1:58:43uh analysis uh uh particularly targeted
1:58:46at the city of oakland but we we also
1:58:48know that this is generally true and i
1:58:51think el cerrito knows this because you
1:58:52are the only city in our wastewater
1:58:54service area that has a planned paving
1:58:57ban in certain areas you you don't want
1:58:59to dig up the streets more than you need
1:59:01to you are the only ones that have
1:59:03figured this out because every other
1:59:04city in the area just lets anybody just
1:59:07dig right in and doesn't have to talk to
1:59:09anybody you make sure that we all talk
1:59:11to you and that we're all in
1:59:12coordination and i i appreciate that
1:59:15approach and i'd like to think about how
1:59:17do we
1:59:18build on that approach when we think
1:59:20about sewer laterals because when we dig
1:59:22up the streets more than once we waste
1:59:25money we waste about 25 percent of the
1:59:28total cost of doing this work uh and
1:59:30that is uh those are funds that could go
1:59:32to keeping our rates low you can
1:59:34reinvest that money into fire protection
1:59:37or whatever else the city council would
1:59:38like to do but both of our agencies and
1:59:41our
1:59:42our mutual customers uh and constituents
1:59:45save money when we're able to coordinate
1:59:47this work so um went a little bit off
1:59:49script there but um i wanted to share
1:59:51kind of those thoughts about what's
1:59:52ahead um let's you've heard a lot about
1:59:55lead because of recent events in flint
1:59:57michigan
1:59:58the spotlight has really been on lead
2:00:00and drinking water
2:00:02but east bay mud tested all k-12 public
2:00:05schools in our service area and all are
2:00:08below the action level of 15 parts per
2:00:10billion
2:00:11east bay mud removed lead service lines
2:00:13in the 1990s and continues to remove
2:00:16lead whenever they incidentally happen
2:00:18to be found
2:00:19we've had corrosion control practices in
2:00:22place since the early 20s to make sure
2:00:24that our water is minimally corrosive
2:00:27and does not have impacts on
2:00:30on homes so that lead doesn't leach into
Andy Katz, El Cerrito's EBMUD director, presented the water district's proposed rates.
His standing: “this is probably my fourth or fifth time presenting to this council in the” twelve and a quarter years he had served.
Water supply was in excellent condition after a wet winter, and the Mokelumne River had won wild and scenic protection.
On sewer laterals: 31,000 certificates covered 24 percent of properties, but the retrofit-on-resale approach was leveling off before a 2036 deadline. He praised El Cerrito as the only city in the area coordinating street digging.
On lead: all K-12 public schools tested below the action level, and corrosion control had been in place “since the early 20s” so “lead doesn't leach into the water from old homes.”
And legislation: EBMUD sponsored AB 1953, effective 2010, making plumbing lead-free in California, which became the model for the 2014 federal law.
Other programs: a groundwater banking agreement with San Joaquin Valley irrigation districts, with an injection pilot under way.
And methane: “over a 20-year time horizon it's 85 times more potent than carbon dioxide,” so EBMUD captures it at its wastewater plant, running an 11-megawatt generator and becoming “a net exporter of electricity” sold to the Port of Oakland.
EBMUD sponsored AB 1953 (2010), making California plumbing lead-free, the model for the 2014 federal law. Its point-of-sale sewer lateral program has reached 24 percent of properties and is leveling off.
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2:00:32the water from old homes that may have
2:00:34lead in in their pipes
2:00:36we do extensive testing of our water
2:00:38supply to make sure that that that we
2:00:40are minimally corrosive
2:00:42uh we also spearheaded uh the the
2:00:44campaign uh that that got all of our
2:00:47state pipes and then eventually all of
2:00:49our uh national uh pipes from being lead
2:00:52free so we we sponsored ab 1953 uh that
2:00:56went into effect in 2010 uh and then
2:00:58also the they get the let out bill in uh
2:01:00that went federal in in 2014 um that was
2:01:04modeled on california's law that east
2:01:05bay mud sponsored so um we are the
2:01:08community that spearheaded lead-free
2:01:10pipes and i think we can be very very
2:01:12proud of that
2:01:13but
2:01:14meanwhile we're also an old community so
2:01:17particularly uh for for people who are
2:01:20living in homes that were built uh in
2:01:22the in the 1920s or or earlier uh or if
2:01:25you just suspect that there could be
2:01:27some kind of
2:01:28corrosion in your home pipes
2:01:30you can get your home water sampled for
2:01:33free by visiting ebmud.com
2:01:37lead that's eb mud.com
2:01:40lead and we we provide that service for
2:01:43anybody who's concerned about lead
2:01:45leaching into their water
2:01:47at home
2:01:48because our our distribution pipes are
2:01:50lead-free
2:01:52uh we uh have a long recognized that
2:01:55climate change is real and possess poses
2:01:58serious risks to all of us
2:02:00uh we have seen more intense droughts
2:02:02and storm periods cause
2:02:04wildfire threats and flooding
2:02:07we
2:02:07see as a result of these kinds of things
2:02:10degraded water quality the drought left
2:02:13us with some unanticipated effects when
2:02:15we when we saw the the added
2:02:19organic material that was uh
2:02:22remaining dead
2:02:23just at the
2:02:25edges of our reservoir when that when
2:02:27that
2:02:28dead organic material did eventually
2:02:31flow down back into the reservoir
2:02:33we we had this experience of seeing more
2:02:36organic matter in our reservoir
2:02:38combining with uh disinfection the
2:02:41disinfectant
2:02:42that that's normal to be used for
2:02:44treating our water uh result in some
2:02:46different water quality results for from
2:02:49trihalomethanes a normal
2:02:53disinfection byproduct but we saw
2:02:55elevated levels that were still below
2:02:57the uh the water quality threshold set
2:03:01by the state of california but it's
2:03:02above what we're used to it's above what
2:03:04what we strive for so we we immediately
2:03:07took action we've we flushed out our um
2:03:09the water supply in in the basin where
2:03:12that was an issue in uh in the north
2:03:14berkeley hills uh we immediately took
2:03:16action but we recognize now that climate
2:03:18change is presenting things that we've
2:03:20never confronted uh we we had during the
2:03:23worst uh phase of the drought we had uh
2:03:26a moment where um the area that we were
2:03:29drawing water from was the area that
2:03:31where you could taste um
2:03:33um a little bit uh more of the
2:03:36uh the
2:03:38the the
2:03:39earthy kind of taste than you would
2:03:40normally taste and so we're starting to
2:03:43look at what kind of infrastructure
2:03:44makes sense and so climate change will
2:03:46cost us if we want to keep our water
2:03:48quality
2:03:49at the highest levels if we want to keep
2:03:51uh
2:03:52that aesthetic quality of taste and odor
2:03:55the way we are used to we're going to
2:03:57have to invest in oxidation technology
2:03:59at the water treatment plant we're
2:04:00already making plans to
2:04:02have that technology in place by the
2:04:04early to mid 2020s but we're starting to
2:04:07build that into our capital budgets
2:04:08because we know climate change is real
2:04:10and that this is going to happen more
2:04:12but we're not just saying while climate
2:04:13change is real let's get prepared we're
2:04:15also saying let's be a part of the
2:04:17solution so as you can see on the slide
2:04:20we have an aggressive greenhouse gas
2:04:22production goal and we're actually
2:04:24looking at making this goal even more
2:04:26aggressive to make sure that we're able
2:04:28to bring down
2:04:30our contributions to climate change even
2:04:32more
2:04:34in addition to what we're doing with
2:04:35water supply adaptation
2:04:37our mitigation goals are to reduce
2:04:39greenhouse gas indirect emissions uh to
2:04:42zero by 2040. that's like electricity
2:04:45and to cut in half our direct emissions
2:04:47by 50 compared to the year uh 2000. uh i
2:04:51i'm encouraging our staff to be a part
2:04:53of an early buyer's club for uh medium
2:04:57and heavy-duty electric vehicles i think
2:04:59we've already been doing some of this
2:05:00with light duty passenger but i think
2:05:03all of our local governments
2:05:04can do more by by being early buyers of
2:05:08cutting-edge uh alternative fuel
2:05:10heavy heavy-duty equipment
2:05:13we'll also be adopting a climate policy
2:05:16in june and uh to put some of these
2:05:18principles to paper
2:05:20uh
2:05:21the the core of our work right now
2:05:23during a non-drought year uh it's it's
2:05:25exciting when we don't have to worry
2:05:27about a drought crisis you know right
2:05:29right uh immediately because then we can
2:05:31focus on infrastructure and
2:05:33when i first got on the board in 2007 we
2:05:36were just replacing about six or so
2:05:38miles of pipe per year
2:05:40and clearly that is not
2:05:42enough because we have about 4 200 miles
2:05:46of pipe in the whole service area
2:05:48and this pipe was only designed to last
2:05:51about 80 to 100 years so if you do the
2:05:54math that means
2:05:56the whole system could be breaking right
2:05:58now
2:05:59that's that that's a rough approach
2:06:01because uh our service area was built in
2:06:04phases over time but we need to be um
2:06:08repairing and replacing our system at a
2:06:10much faster pace and so we're ramping up
2:06:14our you can see on the right edge of the
2:06:16slide where where we're ramping up to
2:06:19um but our primary focus for our capital
2:06:22improvement program is infrastructure
2:06:23renewal so that we can improve
2:06:25reliability
2:06:27our pipeline rebuild program is a large
2:06:29focus that gets us from 10 miles of pipe
2:06:32replaced a year to 22 miles of pipe by
2:06:342024
2:06:36so this prioritizes safety reliability
2:06:39water quality regulatory compliance and
2:06:42cost effectiveness and so some of the
2:06:44local upcoming pipeline projects that
2:06:47will be in el cerrito include village
2:06:50errol
2:06:51bonnie and byra cluster
2:06:54barron street
2:06:55everett street
2:06:56lexington cluster and eureka street so
2:06:59those are some of the upcoming
2:07:01distribution pipeline replacements that
2:07:03are coming up in el cerrito very soon
2:07:05so i'm very excited to announce that el
2:07:07cerrito is getting
2:07:09some upgrades so that you can have
2:07:10reliability in your neighborhoods we we
2:07:12definitely recognize that main breaks
2:07:14are not fun for any neighbors
2:07:16we you know we bear
2:07:18responsibility for uh
2:07:21damage to property where we could have
2:07:23prevented it so we we make sure that we
2:07:26are um keeping neighborhoods in in a
2:07:28state of good repair so that we're able
2:07:30to have that reliability and safety um
2:07:33so
2:07:34uh we also uh are doing some major uh
2:07:37rehabilitation of large pipelines so we
2:07:39have the wildcat canyon pipeline
2:07:41that is kind of the backbone of our
2:07:43system
2:07:45and i know that uh there's some
2:07:46coordination issues with uh the
2:07:48rehabilitation that el cerrito is
2:07:50planning with
2:07:51richmond
2:07:52street uh so uh we we we do have we have
2:07:56had to push out that that construction
2:07:58date and i i i i i i was gonna be my
2:08:01question to you yeah and i know yeah a
2:08:03couple of you have talked with me about
2:08:04that
2:08:05uh because you've long anticipated this
2:08:07project and it is um beneficial to all
2:08:09of our mutual uh customers to be able to
2:08:12coordinate our projects um we we this is
2:08:15a very large project for us so we we
2:08:17need to make sure that all of our
2:08:18architectural plans our underground
2:08:21utilities uh uh coordination our sequa
2:08:24are all ready before we um actually put
2:08:26the project out to bid and and uh uh go
2:08:28in
2:08:29so uh we we are um
2:08:32right now anticipating that that project
2:08:33will happen um between may 2020 and may
2:08:372020 may 2022
2:08:40so it's about a two-year construction
2:08:42project i will make sure that our
2:08:44engineering staff are in close
2:08:46coordination with your public works
2:08:47department
2:08:48so that we're able to accelerate any uh
2:08:51uh
2:08:53rehabilitation specific to el cerrito
2:08:55that you're really waiting for us on
2:08:57because i know that if you need to
2:08:59repave that street um you need you need
2:09:02to be able to get to it soon and and
2:09:04you'll need us to get to work on the
2:09:06right segments um soon
2:09:08so
2:09:10so i'm glad to share that news with you
2:09:12and glad that that project is uh on its
2:09:14way to el cerrito next spring
2:09:19and
2:09:19uh we
2:09:21uh also uh wan have uh
2:09:24a complicated bill we're we're looking
2:09:26at our bill and how to make it more
2:09:28visually
2:09:29appealing but uh but it has the basics
2:09:32you know your your typical el cerrito
2:09:34water use is about five and a half um
2:09:36ccf per month and that means a cost of
2:09:39about a dollar fifty a day we have a
2:09:41three-tiered structure that increases
2:09:43with use most el cerrito residents are
2:09:46in the lowest tier of water use and
2:09:48are are charged a very
2:09:50low and affordable rate for water
2:09:52we have we have a
2:09:54a fixed charge that represents about
2:09:57a little less than a quarter of the
2:09:58water bill
2:10:00i've taken the position that we should
2:10:01be reducing that fixed charge component
2:10:03of the water bill so that we are more
2:10:05fair and equitable for customers that
2:10:07conserve water
2:10:08that's a long-standing discussion at the
2:10:10board
2:10:11we will be revisiting the overall rate
2:10:14design and rate structure in our next
2:10:16budget
2:10:17so within about two years um there will
2:10:19be an opportunity for engagement on a
2:10:21major overhaul to our rates
2:10:24um but uh we also have a higher
2:10:26elevation
2:10:27charge so that if you're
2:10:29if you require pumping um to get the
2:10:31water to you um then you pay
2:10:34in the aggregate you pay your fair share
2:10:36to get water pumped up the hill to you
2:10:41uh we and i should also uh mention that
2:10:43we we provide a customer assistance
2:10:45program for uh for any uh customers who
2:10:48are uh earning uh roughly uh double the
2:10:51poverty line in the state of california
2:10:53uh we we make available a program uh
2:10:56where if you uh uh call us at 866 4dbud
2:11:01get an application and get that on file
2:11:04and demonstrate that you are eligible uh
2:11:07given that income threshold which it
2:11:09increases with the amount of people in
2:11:11your household
2:11:12it's it's comparable to the threshold
2:11:14that pg e has for the care program
2:11:16we provide a 50 discount off of the
2:11:19water bill and a 35 discount off of the
2:11:22wastewater bill so um
2:11:25these are tough economic times for for
2:11:27many in our community who are struggling
2:11:29to make ends meet and i encourage all of
2:11:31you as ambassadors in the community to
2:11:34share with service providers the
2:11:36availability of this program so that
2:11:38everybody can
2:11:39afford water
2:11:42we are investing with your dollars as i
2:11:44shared with you details about pipeline
2:11:46rebuild
2:11:47and key water and wastewater treatment
2:11:50plant upgrades
2:11:51other key infrastructure
2:11:53so
2:11:54we are making sure that we put put your
2:11:56dollars to good use
2:11:58we maintain
2:12:00sound fiscal management with the aaa
2:12:02bond rating
2:12:03very low borrowing
2:12:05we make sure to have a rate reserve fund
2:12:07when we do have another drought we have
2:12:09a 95 million dollar reserve so that we
2:12:12are able to offset the costs of a
2:12:13drought and keep drought rates
2:12:16to
2:12:17a minimum to avoid rate shock um and so
2:12:20those high credit and bond ratings allow
2:12:22the district to borrow at low rates with
2:12:24favorable terms uh debt funding for a
2:12:27portion of capital
2:12:29also allows for energy generational
2:12:31equity we have been trending more
2:12:33towards paygo
2:12:34to reduce the amount of money that we
2:12:36pay to a bank instead of um to to our
2:12:39own infrastructure
2:12:40but we
2:12:41we are making efforts to make sure that
2:12:43we're rehabilitating our infrastructure
2:12:45now is not a time to be kicking the can
2:12:47down the road more
2:12:48so overall this is our two-year budget
2:12:50um and these are these breakdowns most
2:12:53of our budget is uh in the water system
2:12:57most of our budget is spent on capital
2:13:00appropriations and operations and a very
2:13:02small portion goes to
2:13:04debt service
2:13:06but as i mentioned our our fixed costs
2:13:08are
2:13:09the the large majorities 94 of our costs
2:13:13are fixed only six percent of our uh
2:13:15costs are variable so if we do reduce um
2:13:19water to even lower than we've already
2:13:21been using uh our our revenues are not
2:13:24going to be able to uh make up for those
2:13:26changes so um
2:13:2729 of our revenues are fixed um from our
2:13:30fixed charge and from property taxes
2:13:33most of um our revenues come from
2:13:35variable sources so the the the way i
2:13:38bring you know when i'm proposing let's
2:13:40reduce fixed charges so that more of the
2:13:41charges are on the volumetric side to
2:13:44encourage conservation i propose
2:13:46increasing our reserve
2:13:48so that we're able to
2:13:50reward conservation be equitable for
2:13:52communities that have high conservation
2:13:54i have to also propose increasing our
2:13:57reserve so that we're able to account
2:14:00for how do we have
2:14:02a stable budget with variable revenue
2:14:04like this
2:14:09and our budget and rate schedule is uh
2:14:12here on this slide
2:14:13we are proposing the lowest annual rate
2:14:15increase that we have proposed in the
2:14:18last uh 10 years
2:14:20that is 6.5 percent uh in each year
2:14:24actually is 6.5 for for 19 and 6.25 for
2:14:282020 uh and
2:14:30we are proposing a pr approximately a
2:14:33four percent increase for wastewater
2:14:35charges different customer classes are
2:14:37seeing different uh rate increases
2:14:39between three and seven percent uh
2:14:41depending on what customer class you're
2:14:43in residential customers will see
2:14:45something more on the three percent end
2:14:48and so uh the the
2:14:51notice was mailed to all customers
2:14:53written protests can be mailed to east
2:14:55bay mud at
2:14:57ms218 at p.o box 24055
2:15:01oakland california 94623
2:15:05and must include the account holder's
2:15:07name and service address on the
2:15:08eastbaymod account number
The director explained the proposed increase and a delayed street project.
His framing: rates were going up, but “this is the lowest increase that we've had,” after years of financial crisis and drought.
The proposal: 6.5 percent in the first year and 6.25 in the second, about 4 percent for wastewater; written protests had to arrive before the 11 June public hearing.
Pipe replacement would rise from about 10 to 22 miles a year by 2024, with several El Cerrito streets coming up; a customer assistance program offered 50 percent off water and 35 percent off wastewater bills for low-income households.
Climate change was already affecting water quality after the drought, and EBMUD planned oxidation treatment by the early to mid 2020s; it aimed to cut indirect greenhouse emissions to zero by 2040.
On Richmond Street: EBMUD's pipeline work had been pushed back, delaying the city's planned rehabilitation, because “this is a very large project for us” needing plans, utility coordination and CEQA.
EBMUD kept a $95 million rate reserve for drought and a AAA bond rating; 94 percent of its costs were fixed. Despite the increases, he said, the average bill had risen about 5 percent a year over ten years, below the midpoint of comparable agencies.
EBMUD's Wildcat Canyon pipeline work, now planned for May 2020 to May 2022, pushes back the city's Richmond Street rehabilitation. The proposed water increase is “the lowest increase that we've had.”
14 Only San Francisco gets a seawall captions 3500–3840
2:15:10or the eastpayment account number and
2:15:12must be received before our june 11th
2:15:14public hearing at 1 15
2:15:16pm so we are i'm always glad to come to
2:15:20el cerrito to talk about what's
2:15:21happening in east bay mud but we are
2:15:22making a concerted effort to reach out
2:15:24to communities so that everyone knows
2:15:26that our rates are going up um we are
2:15:30doing the best we can with our
2:15:33customer dollars to stretch them as far
2:15:35as we can and i'm also glad that this is
2:15:37the uh the lowest uh increase that we've
2:15:39had uh we've we've had a lot of tough
2:15:42times uh from the financial crisis in
2:15:44the uh era era post 2008. um the
2:15:48majority of uh the last 12 years have
2:15:50been in drought um so all of those uh uh
2:15:54challenges have taken a hit um where
2:15:56where we've seen our revenues uh
2:15:59uh be unstable because of the drought
2:16:01we've seen uh
2:16:04challenges with the economy and
2:16:06increasing costs of construction
2:16:08equipment uh increased costs of
2:16:09chemicals and energy energy
2:16:11um but overall what's happened with the
2:16:13average customer bill
2:16:15despite the the rate increases that are
2:16:18higher per gallon of water the average
2:16:20customer bill has only gone up by five
2:16:22percent per year over the last 10 years
2:16:25so customers are actually seeing bills
2:16:27that are very proportionate uh with the
2:16:29increase in services that we're
2:16:30providing to make sure that we have a
2:16:33state of good repair in our water system
2:16:36so
2:16:39we also continue to be in the midpoint
2:16:42actually below the midpoint of our
2:16:44comparison agencies so we are right in
2:16:45the middle compared to other local
2:16:47agencies
2:16:49in terms of the water bill
2:16:51and the annual charge for a single
2:16:53family residence
2:16:55we also are
2:16:56competitive in wastewater bills so for
2:16:59the average single family residents
2:17:02the blue is what you can see
2:17:04is the east bay mud cost the green is
2:17:06the average
2:17:07cost across the wastewater service area
2:17:10that includes stage
2:17:12but it also includes um the uh the sewer
2:17:15fee charges of the city of oakland
2:17:17berkeley um
2:17:19and in alameda
2:17:20uh and other cities in the wastewater
2:17:22area
2:17:23um and so those are uh the the main
2:17:27topics i had to present to you i do have
2:17:29some comments that i can share
2:17:31about fire safety and and what we've
2:17:33been doing around fire safety but i i
2:17:35can take your questions first
2:17:37council member quinto uh it's always
2:17:39good to see
2:17:40my colleague on the sierra club board
2:17:42andy you're always welcome and elsarita
2:17:45my question regarding
2:17:47wastewater the wastewater treatment
2:17:50plant it's right on the edge of the bay
2:17:53what is east bay mud
2:17:55doing now to prepare for climate change
2:17:58and the rising waters that
2:18:00are happening right now i think that's a
2:18:03very excellent point to be raising we
2:18:04are very concerned about sea level rise
2:18:06and what it will do to
2:18:08public infrastructure all around the bay
2:18:10including the wastewater treatment plant
2:18:12the wastewater treatment plant is right
2:18:14on san francisco bay
2:18:16and it's it's an ideal site to be right
2:18:19on the bay to be able to discharge we
2:18:21don't discharge right at the site of the
2:18:23wastewater treatment plant we have an
2:18:24outtake through a pipeline that goes out
2:18:27a fair amount from the shoreline itself
2:18:31but right now
2:18:32what scientists tell us is likely to
2:18:34happen within the next few decades will
2:18:37inundate the area where the wastewater
2:18:39treatment plant lies
2:18:40we don't know precisely where to
2:18:42relocate it if that's the right strategy
2:18:44we know that a seawall will not
2:18:47be protective of
2:18:49of one piece of infrastructure alone
2:18:51because the shoreline continues for
2:18:53hundreds of miles around the bay
2:18:55only san francisco can really get away
2:18:57with the sea wall
2:18:58so
2:18:59we have some serious challenges as a
2:19:01region and i think what
2:19:03we've been doing so far has been to
2:19:05collaborate with uh the uh with baycan
2:19:08that's the regional uh
2:19:11resilience network talking together
2:19:13about how to be resilient for climate
2:19:15change particularly sea level rise and
2:19:18uh we're collaborating on what
2:19:19infrastructure scenarios look like
2:19:22i anticipate that uh we need one
2:19:24comprehensive plan um that's able to go
2:19:27to our our voters and our customers to
2:19:29talk about uh what what it's going to
2:19:32cost to protect our infrastructure
2:19:34what relocation plans might look like
2:19:37and we might be talking about
2:19:39wastewater conveyance that doesn't
2:19:41depend on being right on the shoreline
2:19:42we might be talking about
2:19:44building infrastructure that's more
2:19:46protective
2:19:47in a graceful retreat from the shoreline
2:19:50fortunately we don't have to have a
2:19:52solution to this crisis today but we
2:19:54don't have any time to waste
2:19:56in terms of preparing and studying for
2:19:58this so we're actively involved in those
2:19:59conversations okay um the oroville dam i
2:20:03know they're thinking of
2:20:05raising the reservoir
2:20:06um
2:20:08will that affect
2:20:10east bay mud at all
2:20:12not directly orville dam is
2:20:15part of the state water project and we
2:20:18do not have any contracts with the state
2:20:20water project
2:20:21thank you and thank you for
2:20:23letting our rich our richmond street
2:20:25neighbors know about
2:20:27your plans and tearing up their street
2:20:29so i know they appreciate that
2:20:31and paving the way for uh
2:20:33the city to uh renovate the street and
2:20:36and leave it leave it like new so uh we
2:20:39will also be very incl in touch with the
2:20:41neighborhood um as the project gets
2:20:43closer thank you
2:20:45gentlemen
2:20:46uh andy first of all i'd like to thank
2:20:48you for always uh letting us know what's
2:20:50happening at east bay mud
2:20:52uh it's
2:20:54uh i think we feel like we're
2:20:56part of your agency
2:20:59our agency
2:21:00um because you you really do keep us
2:21:02informed year after year and i
2:21:05i for one really appreciate that and i
2:21:07think other people
2:21:09do too
2:21:10i always feel like i know when i get my
2:21:14uh monthly
2:21:17uh
2:21:18bill
2:21:20that that's you know that what's going
2:21:22on
2:21:22the um
2:21:23[Music]
2:21:24it um
2:21:27the thing i kind of always wonder about
2:21:29is um
2:21:31i guess
2:21:33what what can i personally do
2:21:36as a
2:21:37homeowner and what can other people
2:21:40you know do
2:21:41to
2:21:42[Music]
2:21:44do we need to reduce our water usage
2:21:46right now i in a sense i almost feel
2:21:48like we need to use a bunch of it so
2:21:50that so the dams don't spill over or
2:21:53something
2:21:54but can you can you
2:21:57shed a little bit of information about
2:21:58what those kinds of things would be like
2:22:01this year in a time of excess water
2:22:04well i don't think you would catch me
2:22:06saying you know go go ahead and waste
2:22:07water i'm not going to tell you that
2:22:10but what i will tell you is that our
2:22:12water supply situation in a year like
2:22:14this
2:22:15leaves us where the
2:22:17operating agreements with the fish and
2:22:18wildlife service
2:22:21require us to release a certain amount
2:22:23of water down the river so we we are
2:22:26going to have roughly the same amount of
2:22:28storage um
2:22:30regardless of minor changes in indoor
2:22:33water use
2:22:35don't think it makes sense for uh for
2:22:37anybody to waste water with outdoor
2:22:39water irrigation um to the extent that
2:22:42they
2:22:43they form a new uh
2:22:46water use that will continue into future
2:22:48years where we might not have um as
2:22:50abundant water supply but i would say as
2:22:53if you know if you were um
2:22:55uh looking for the year to you know
2:22:58not have to trim your showers to you
2:23:00know the
2:23:01the the difficult standards that we were
2:23:03holding ourselves to during the drought
2:23:05uh now is the year to to relax a little
2:23:08bit um but there's never a time to waste
2:23:11it's always a good time for wise water
2:23:13use but but we do have operating
2:23:15agreements with the fish and wildlife
2:23:17service
2:23:18and and the amount of water that flows
2:23:20down the river will not change
2:23:22significantly depending on what um an
2:23:25individual customer does this for in a
2:23:27year like this it's not that's not the
2:23:29case most years but in a extremely wet
2:23:32year
2:23:34the amount of water that flows through
2:23:36the natural environment will be about
2:23:37the same
2:23:39okay so what if i were to talk to
2:23:41somebody and explain what they ought to
2:23:43do it would probably be the best thing
2:23:46to do would be to say something along
2:23:48the lines of
2:23:49it's best to continue our drought
2:23:52practices which are good practices
2:23:55and um
2:23:56because there really isn't going to be
2:23:57that much more water available this year
2:24:01and we
2:24:02in my words we don't really want to get
2:24:04out of good habits that's right yeah we
2:24:06always encourage wise water use and i
2:24:08think maintaining those those good
2:24:10habits we are excellent we want
2:24:12conservation to be a way of life we want
2:24:15water use efficiency we continue to have
2:24:18uh rebates for
2:24:19uh
2:24:20water efficient dishwashers and clothes
2:24:22washers we provide water audits so
2:24:25anybody can call our main customer
2:24:27service line to get access to those
2:24:29rebates and and leverage them with
2:24:31comparable
2:24:33pg e or mce rebates
2:24:36that's 866 40 eb mud
2:24:39and we can
2:24:41help help people be more efficient at
2:24:43their water usage and we just encourage
2:24:45people to to maintain that habit of
2:24:47using water wisely thank you
2:24:51any questions over here
2:24:53yeah
2:24:54andy thanks for coming tonight it's
2:24:56as everyone said it's good to hear from
2:24:57the horse's mouth as they say
2:24:59the facts that were out there one of the
2:25:01ones that you said that struck me is 4
2:25:04200 miles of pipe in the system and
2:25:07although we've almost quadrupled the
2:25:09amount of pipe that's replaced on an
2:25:10annual basis from when you started
2:25:12at 22 miles per year it's still a
2:25:15200-year replacement timeline
2:25:19and so obviously at some point that
2:25:21replacement rate is going to have to
2:25:23change uh in order to
2:25:26address the
2:25:27aging system
2:25:29and that of course
2:25:31by
2:25:32everything you've shown us means that
2:25:33the rates will have to continue to go up
2:25:37and so it's it's good to see that we're
2:25:39being
2:25:39uh forward thinking about some of these
2:25:42activities
2:25:43uh
2:25:45the other thing that you said that i
2:25:47wanted to sort of hone in on and here in
2:25:49el cerrito we're we we have about 250
2:25:52homes a year that sell
2:25:53about two and a half percent of our
2:25:55housing stock uh maybe maybe a little
2:25:58more four percent something like that
2:25:59depending on whether you're doing
2:26:00single-family home or
2:26:02um other types of units
2:26:04and that
2:26:08that
2:26:10would be about 25 over the life of the
2:26:14program that you were talking about for
2:26:16getting the
2:26:18transactions done and so i'm curious
2:26:21about your thoughts about how we would
2:26:23step that up and especially in
2:26:26a city like el cerrito where we take our
2:26:28pavement index very seriously
2:26:30going from the fourth worst to the
2:26:32fourth best in the in the region is
2:26:34certainly something we want to hold on
2:26:35to so my my question to you is
2:26:38how would you increase the rate
2:26:41of um
2:26:43la super lateral being replaced that
2:26:46there's less infiltration less
2:26:48potential for
2:26:50sewer overflows during rainy weather
2:26:53and maintain that in a community where
2:26:56we take our pavement seriously
2:26:59sure
2:27:00so
2:27:00first what i would say is what we know
2:27:02so far is that it it tends to be the
2:27:05same often starter homes that are
2:27:07turning over more frequently so a lot of
2:27:09long time residents have simply not
2:27:12sold their homes since the program began
2:27:14so 75 percent of the residents of el
The director turned to longer-term threats and a program with a very slow turnover.
On sea level rise: “the shoreline continues for hundreds of miles around the bay — only San Francisco can really get away with the sea wall,” so the region needs “one comprehensive plan” to take to voters.
EBMUD was working with BayCAN, the regional resilience network, on infrastructure scenarios.
Asked by Abelson about the wet year: residents could relax drought-era indoor limits, but should not take up wasteful outdoor irrigation.
Lyman noted that at 22 miles a year, pipe replacement was still a 200-year timeline, and that El Cerrito sells “about 250 homes a year that sell about two and a half percent of our housing stock.”
That would reach about 25 percent of homes over the life of the program, and he asked how to speed lateral replacement while protecting the city's pavement.
Katz answered that 75 percent of El Cerrito homes had not sold since the program began, and the same homes turn over repeatedly; he favored eventually a date certain for compliance, done block by block.
About 250 homes sell each year, but 75 percent of homes have not sold since EBMUD's point-of-sale lateral program began, so it is leveling off. On sea level rise: “only san francisco can really get away with the sea wall.”
15 Water during a power shutoff captions 3841–4159
2:27:17cerrito uh or at least the home the
2:27:19homes in el cerrito have not sold since
2:27:21we began our program several years ago
2:27:24and we are seeing the same
2:27:26homes turn over multiple times
2:27:29so so just because you're getting an
2:27:31amount of homes that calculates to
2:27:35about to reach about a quarter doesn't
2:27:37mean that they're new turnovers that's
2:27:39good for the transfer tax revenue but
2:27:42that's not necessarily good for a
2:27:44program that's dependent on uh getting
2:27:46getting um uh something deteriorating to
2:27:48be repaired on resale um you know
2:27:51meanwhile you know i think we've we've
2:27:52heard from um the realtor community that
2:27:55they feel like they're
2:27:57burdened a lot with with point of sale
2:28:00i think there's some fair arguments to
2:28:01that um
2:28:03it's it's one way to handle certain
2:28:04things but i think we're reaching the
2:28:06point where we will start to see
2:28:08diminished effectiveness of that tool so
2:28:10i'm not saying that we need to change
2:28:12course immediately i think we want to
2:28:13study you know
2:28:15we should
2:28:16consult planners who have expertise in
2:28:18the census and demography to see
2:28:21what what are all the tools that we
2:28:23could use
2:28:24but what i'd like to continue to study
2:28:26is um
2:28:27eventually a date certain where all
2:28:29homes have to be in compliance i think
2:28:31that is the goal
2:28:32um having having some kind of
2:28:34coordination so that we can do this on a
2:28:37city on one city block at a time
2:28:39so that we don't have a spot here a spot
2:28:42there and we have a lot of
2:28:45unnecessary and erratic digging up of
2:28:47the same street multiple times
2:28:50where we have sometimes
2:28:52improperly
2:28:55managed potholes that that don't really
2:28:57get fully repaired when when the lateral
2:28:59is is replaced so there's a lot of
2:29:01issues when we have that kind of
2:29:03spot work and i think we can also
2:29:06leverage better job quality if we were
2:29:08to do it um as a public works bid
2:29:11so um so those are those are some ideas
2:29:13that i have um i think they're a little
2:29:15ways off um but we are talking with
2:29:17region 9 epa about some of these ideas
2:29:20um just because they they are um
2:29:22absolutely holding us as as a
2:29:25uh group of parties to the consent
2:29:27decree accountable for our obligation to
2:29:29protect water quality in the bay great
2:29:31thank you one last question or one last
2:29:33observation
2:29:34um it's we're really looking forward to
2:29:36you helping us repave richmond street
2:29:40and so i'm hoping that the
2:29:42pavement paving portion of your budget
2:29:44um ends up being a transfer to us so
2:29:47that we can
2:29:48uh put that to use to re recovering the
2:29:50whole street so i don't know how you're
2:29:52gonna how we'll coordinate that in in
2:29:54real fiscal terms but certainly instead
2:29:57of you guys putting a
2:29:58a really nice top coat from curb to curb
2:30:01over the areas where you trench it would
2:30:04be much better for us to figure out what
2:30:05that is and factor that into an overall
2:30:08rehabilitation of the of the street so
2:30:11looking forward to working with you
2:30:13fiscally as well as
2:30:15coordinating the schedule to get the
2:30:18richmond street repaved yeah i'm
2:30:19enthusiastic when we can be efficient as
2:30:22local government agencies working
2:30:23together so that we can conserve money
2:30:25and conserve concrete so i look forward
2:30:28to working with you on that great thank
2:30:30you
2:30:31hi andy um
2:30:32i think rich richmond street has been
2:30:34well represented here tonight so thank
2:30:36you for hearing and proactively
2:30:38mentioning
2:30:39the the dates where we may be moving
2:30:42towards some action
2:30:43um i want to say bravo on all the
2:30:45environmental priorities that you've
2:30:47listed here
2:30:49really incredible and it's uh really
2:30:51good stuff i'm the banking is an
2:30:53exciting
2:30:54program that i think is i'd love to hear
2:30:56more about that at a later date i'm
2:30:58concerned about the fish issues that
2:31:00you're talking about
2:31:02um don't know how to rectify those too
2:31:04much but
2:31:06continue to monitor those
2:31:08um i agree it's always good to see you
2:31:10you do come with always seems to come
2:31:12with a rate increase
2:31:14um over the last 10 years do you know
2:31:16how many rate increases you've
2:31:18had and the question i had yeah do you
2:31:21oh every year every year right so you do
2:31:23come with a rate increase so i was
2:31:25asking the next you have a two year
2:31:26two-year
2:31:28strategy here do you expect again in
2:31:302021 to come to us with the rate
2:31:32increase
2:31:33i do if if we did not keep our rates in
2:31:37in line with not just inflation but also
2:31:39the the deferred maintenance that past
2:31:41generations didn't invest in our
2:31:43infrastructure
2:31:44then we wouldn't be doing our
2:31:46our duty to the the customers today and
2:31:49the reason you don't go further than two
2:31:51years is just because of
2:31:53timeliness of information coming into
2:31:55you we have fiscal plans that go out um
2:31:57as far as five to ten years so we have
2:31:59an anticipated capital improvement
2:32:01program that goes out five years we have
2:32:04long-term fiscal sustainability
2:32:05conversations
2:32:07as a board with our finance director
2:32:09but we we have a constitutional um
2:32:13restraint on being able to
2:32:15make decisions for boards that haven't
2:32:17been elected yet so we we can only
2:32:21adopt rate increases that that don't
2:32:23bind future boards and as councilman
2:32:26lyman mentioned i think they do come
2:32:28with
2:32:28due cause i think they're justifiable um
2:32:31i was going to mention your fire efforts
2:32:33but if you can just take back
2:32:35to your other board of directors how
2:32:37concerned el cerrito is
2:32:39we can catch up on those issues later
2:32:41and i'm sure you are responding to
2:32:43unless you have something yeah i would
2:32:44like to share a little bit about how
2:32:46we're responding to the possibility of
2:32:47pg e power shutoffs because that was a
2:32:50topic of discussion tonight um so we we
2:32:52have our at the staff level
2:32:54conversations with pg e that are ongoing
2:32:57um we we've been informed the power
2:32:59outage impacts could last up to five
2:33:01days at a time
2:33:03which is pretty staggering to think
2:33:05about
2:33:06particularly when you're thinking about
2:33:07vulnerable medical customers i think
2:33:10that's that's a much more serious
2:33:12problem that
2:33:13we're not you know in in the front seat
2:33:15on
2:33:16but we have we have as an institution
2:33:19started to think about how do we be
2:33:20resilient to make sure that we're
2:33:22prepared for that kind of scenario so
2:33:24we're thinking that customers at higher
2:33:26elevations might be experiencing
2:33:28pressure and flow reductions if we are
2:33:30having that kind of power disruption
2:33:33for an extended period of time
2:33:35but we have an rfp out
2:33:37to rent standby generators for use at
2:33:39critical pumping facilities so that we
2:33:42can preserve fire flow during power
2:33:43outages so we
2:33:46unlike electricity we can still have the
2:33:48water moving um as long as there is uh
2:33:51pumping um flowing you know if we have
2:33:53our pumping plants operating at key
2:33:56locations the network itself is not
2:33:59electrical the network is
2:34:01just simple
2:34:03pressure from the water
2:34:04we need we need electricity to be able
2:34:07to power the pumping plants and the
2:34:09water treatment facilities so if we if
2:34:11we have uh backup generators at those
2:34:14sites
2:34:15then we can be resilient
2:34:17so we we expect that
2:34:19we'll be advising residents to begin
2:34:21conserving water
2:34:23at once during power outage incidents so
2:34:26we're going to be
2:34:28talking with uh cities in the county um
2:34:31to help get that message across so while
2:34:33water conservation may not be
2:34:35a an essential uh top message during a
2:34:39very wet year
2:34:40during a
2:34:42fire event that's causing a power outage
2:34:45and we're needing to have limited supply
2:34:47of water because of this
2:34:49emergency electrical pumping situation
2:34:52water conservation could become
2:34:54an immediate
2:34:56need
2:34:57so once we have more information about
2:35:00that operating scenario we'll be able to
2:35:01share that um ahead of uh the fire
2:35:04season we're also participating in the
2:35:06collaboration that's going on
2:35:08around the ridgeline and uh protecting
2:35:11our ridgeline and defensive bull space
2:35:14so on controlled burns cal fire is
2:35:17conducting some control burns as fuel
2:35:19breaks in the north arinda area that
2:35:21extend into the east bay mud land next
2:35:23to tilden park
2:35:25so that's in part of the efforts to
2:35:27significantly slow the spread of
2:35:29potential major fires that could um
2:35:31spread from the the surrounding
2:35:33watershed so one of cal fire's 35
2:35:36projects um
2:35:37to protect the state from wildfires so
2:35:41we are
2:35:42working with them on seven
2:35:441760 acres um that will be completed in
2:35:48december of this year and it's
2:35:50maintained on a cycle of every three to
2:35:52five years so um we will
2:35:55have crews that are also working to cut
2:35:57new fire breaks expand fire trails um so
2:36:00that if a blaze breaks out it will be
2:36:02easier for firefighters to control it so
2:36:04we we um we've known that this is the
2:36:07world that we are in for for quite some
2:36:09time but
2:36:10we are ever more vigilant to make sure
2:36:12thank you for that please stay in touch
2:36:14thank you
2:36:16thank you very much for your
2:36:17presentation um
2:36:19i just have one question in
2:36:21the sense of timeliness
2:36:23is there a timeline for
2:36:26all of the repairs that have been well i
2:36:28would say what has been done in el
2:36:30cerrito and what what will be done in el
2:36:33cerrito and i know you may not have all
2:36:35those answers off the top of your head
2:36:36but i know you mentioned just a few
2:36:37streets and i was wondering if there was
2:36:40greater plan that's that's being enacted
2:36:42and if we have that information
2:36:44we don't have a complete plan for all 4
2:36:46200 miles of pipe we we we look at uh we
2:36:50do evaluate all of those and we we have
2:36:52uh
2:36:53various indicators that that tell us
2:36:56where of other main breaks been
2:36:57what have the uh technologies that are
2:37:01or the materials that that the pipe is
2:37:03made out of uh
2:37:06you know what what what are the
2:37:07indicators for the useful life of that
2:37:08particular material because our pipes
2:37:11are made out of different materials over
2:37:13the decades the the
2:37:16prevailing material changed over time so
2:37:18we look at
2:37:19that as a factor we look at the age of
2:37:21the pipe as a factor we look at um
2:37:23something that's happening within the
2:37:25same neighborhood or the block
2:37:27especially as it relates to soil
2:37:29movement or or the the potential for
2:37:31landslides or earthquakes to be um
2:37:35accelerating deterioration so we have a
2:37:37lot of different factors that are
2:37:39basically a predictive model for where
2:37:41do we expect a main break to be
2:37:43occurring so lots of computer technology
2:37:46goes into planning that um we we do
2:37:48consider some some equity uh where it
2:37:51makes sense um and to say especially if
2:37:54if we have any knowledge that there's um
2:37:56a sensitive uh use like like a hospital
2:37:59that needs reliability
2:38:01we we
2:38:02considered
2:38:03biotechnology companies that need access
2:38:06to reliable water supplies so we we take
2:38:08those kinds of considerations into
2:38:10account also
2:38:11but what i can do is
2:38:13we have the results of what are the uh
2:38:15the the highest priority for replacement
2:38:17in the coming years and some of those
2:38:19are planned replacements so what i can
2:38:21do is get uh the city council a
2:38:23follow-up memo that shows just what our
2:38:25near-term calendar is
2:38:27but i can't tell you exactly when um
Discussion continued on emergencies and the street project.
The director raised a scenario few had considered: during a fire causing a power outage, “we're needing to have limited supply of water because of this emergency electrical pumping situation” — so “water conservation could become an immediate need,” even in a wet year.
EBMUD had been told outages could last up to five days, and was seeking standby generators for critical pumping plants to preserve fire flow.
EBMUD was also collaborating on the ridgeline, with Cal Fire conducting controlled burns as fuel breaks.
On the consent decree, EPA was holding EBMUD and the cities jointly accountable for protecting Bay water quality.
A councilmember asked that EBMUD's repaving money go to the city so Richmond Street could be resurfaced at once, rather than “a really nice top coat from curb to curb over the areas where you trench.”
Fadelli confirmed rates rose every year and would again in 2021; the Mayor asked for a timeline of El Cerrito repairs, and Katz promised a memo. The master fee schedule hearing followed.
During a fire-caused power outage EBMUD may need emergency water conservation, because pumping plants lose power; it is seeking standby generators to preserve fire flow.
16 Legacy fees captions 4160–4512
2:38:30something might have if it's not
2:38:31happening within the next five years we
2:38:34probably don't have a date for it okay
2:38:36thank you very much
2:38:38all right do we have any speakers on
2:38:39this item we do have one speaker on this
2:38:41item
2:38:43cordell hindler okay
2:38:45so
2:38:46thank you andy for that uh presentation
2:38:48it was very refreshing now that's a pun
2:38:52you get the idea refreshing uh
2:39:00so i do want to thank you andy for this
2:39:01presentation it was very very well
2:39:03detailed and it was very thorough so i
2:39:06like it so that's all i have to
2:39:08say thank you thank you
2:39:11all right and with that i i think we
2:39:13have all of our questions answered thank
2:39:15you very much for your presentation we
2:39:16appreciate it uh thank you mayor and
2:39:18council for having me
2:39:21okay so next we'll move on to our public
2:39:24hearings
2:39:26we have a master fee schedule revision
2:39:28for
2:39:29fiscal year 2019 2020.
2:39:33may please have the staff report
2:39:35good evening mayor council members my
2:39:37name is shannon collins and i'm the
2:39:39finance supervisor with the finance
2:39:41department with the city
2:39:42i'm here tonight to present the city's
2:39:45updated fiscal year
2:39:471920 annual master fee schedule
2:39:50the schedule is made available
2:39:52for review on the city's website and the
2:39:54city clerk's office
2:39:56the proposed 1920 schedule includes
2:39:59proposed language changes fee increases
2:40:02and stabilizations from the community
2:40:04development department building planning
2:40:06the police department fire public works
2:40:09recycling environmental services
2:40:11recreation
2:40:12business license and miscellaneous fees
2:40:15as you know the master fee schedule
2:40:17includes all the city's user fees
2:40:20charges for services
2:40:22business license
2:40:23tax rates and is revised annually
2:40:27adjustments to the fees are intended to
2:40:28cover changes in the city's cost of
2:40:32providing services
2:40:34we recommend that a three percent
2:40:36consumer price index increase be applied
2:40:38to all overall department fees that do
2:40:41not have specific rate
2:40:43changes or differences outlined
2:40:45elsewhere in the schedule
2:40:47while some fees have remained constant
2:40:50other proposed changes are based on the
2:40:52demands for services or current master
2:40:55trends
2:40:56or market trends to allow the city to
2:40:58remain competitive regarding the
2:41:00services provided
2:41:02we understand that the format and
2:41:04language changes used in the agenda bill
2:41:07and the master fee schedule may be
2:41:09difficult to follow so we would like for
2:41:11you to know that these documents are
2:41:14going to be revamped to be clearer more
2:41:17comprehensive and standardized in the
2:41:19next year's schedule
2:41:22there are two fees that need to be
2:41:24corrected in the schedule
2:41:26they both appear in the police section
2:41:28they reformulate formulas that crossed
2:41:31over
2:41:32from one tab to the other uh through
2:41:34excel
2:41:36that were affecting these two and they
2:41:37need to be corrected the first one is
2:41:39the traffic collision report copy fee
2:41:43which did not change and should remain
2:41:45at six dollars
2:41:47the second is the police photo auto tape
2:41:51and video
2:41:52tape cd plus fee
2:41:54which with the three percent increase
2:41:56should have been 31.93 not 64 dollars in
2:41:59rounds up to 32 dollars
2:42:02also the schedule as it appears now
2:42:05shows the adjustments and calculations
2:42:07that were used to derive the final
2:42:09numbers
2:42:10normally the fees are rounded up
2:42:12so you would not normally see the
2:42:14decimal points in most cases once the
2:42:16document is complete
2:42:18however there are fees particularly in
2:42:21public works and building area that
2:42:23are either not whole numbers so the
2:42:26rounding would
2:42:28basically zero out the entire number you
2:42:31wouldn't see it at all or it would cause
2:42:34it to be misstated
2:42:35so
2:42:36you will see decimal points in those
2:42:39areas
2:42:40upon approval of the fee schedule
2:42:44with the exception of these particular
2:42:46areas
2:42:47the fees will be rounded up
2:42:52finally note that
2:42:54the basis of the lap swim
2:42:58recreation fee on page 90
2:43:00which is currently it currently reads
2:43:03monthly to 30 days should be changed to
2:43:05valid 30 days
2:43:08most of the new rates for these changes
2:43:10will go into effect july 1 2019
2:43:13the exception to this
2:43:16are the development fees which will go
2:43:17into effect 60 days after adoption of
2:43:20the resolution and the swim center day
2:43:23and overnight camp and preschool fees
2:43:25which will go into effect on september 1
2:43:282019.
2:43:30the rent registry and just cause free
2:43:32eviction fees will become effective on
2:43:35june 20th 2019.
2:43:38any additional fees will be included in
2:43:41the fiscal year
2:43:422019-20 budget
2:43:44and i'll be happy to answer any
2:43:46questions that i can and there are other
2:43:48staff members here
2:43:50that can answer specific questions for
2:43:52their areas
2:43:54council member lyman um can you
2:43:57sorry on the police
2:43:59record one where you mentioned that
2:44:01there were two rates that need to be
2:44:02changed can you go back over those again
2:44:05i'm sorry okay the um the first one
2:44:07they're on the first page of the the uh
2:44:09yeah page 97 of 119 to help you get
2:44:12there the first one is a traffic
2:44:14collision report copy fee as it's
2:44:17appearing in the schedule it's appearing
2:44:19as 37 i'm sorry yeah the increase is 31.
2:44:23what's the other one the other one is
2:44:25the police photograph audio tape and
2:44:28video cd plus fee it's like two lines
2:44:32down
2:44:33yeah this is the same straight numbers
2:44:34that show up in all of those
2:44:36those uh spreadsheets in the back too
2:44:39what happened um the business the the
2:44:42building
2:44:44tab for some reason
2:44:47infected i want to say infected my excel
2:44:50spreadsheet causing this this anomaly to
2:44:53happen to some of these
2:44:55fees and this was one in particular
2:44:58that was changed by that i thought i
2:45:00caught them all unfortunately i did not
2:45:02catch these um yeah so
2:45:05so it's the 33 should be zero what's
2:45:07what's the what is the photograph the
2:45:09police photograph plus it will be
2:45:13rounded up to
2:45:1532 so okay it only had a three percent
2:45:18increase got it um yeah the the
2:45:21um
2:45:22what potentially happened is that
2:45:24multiple tabs got selected at the same
2:45:25time and then somebody did a funk did it
2:45:28did a pasting job in one of them and it
2:45:31cascades to all of them that are
2:45:33selected at that time um so that as you
2:45:36know from my comments this is notable in
2:45:40many of the sheets um and so
2:45:44none of the other ones seem to have
2:45:45affected
2:45:47rates at least none of the ones i caught
2:45:49seemed to affect the rates they just
2:45:51were
2:45:51random numbers that were there
2:45:54there is one that that potentially was
2:45:57as again that 33
2:46:00it's on
2:46:03page 118 of 119 so it's in section 10
2:46:07new construction valuation tables
2:46:10and uh so it's in the center
2:46:13subtable on that page
2:46:16which would be the plan review only at
2:46:1865 percent
2:46:20of the
2:46:21inspection
2:46:23sorry the issuance and inspection fee
2:46:25and the first line there is that 33
2:46:28dollars again
2:46:30the same 33 dollars we were just talking
2:46:32about for photograph plus
2:46:34i don't think it's supposed to be 33 i
2:46:36think it's supposed to be 51.33 but i
2:46:39but i'm just curious what that it i'm
2:46:42going to acknowledge that that 33 is
2:46:44probably not correct
2:46:46and and
2:46:47um maybe before we adopt the
2:46:50schedule you can inform us as to what
2:46:52that's supposed to be
2:46:54um
2:46:55but i i suspect it's the 5133 that's in
2:46:58the line below that
2:46:59um just so
2:47:01this is a testimony that you guys
2:47:02actually know i've looked through every
2:47:04single number so um
2:47:07it and and that
2:47:09i believe this is the only other place
2:47:11where that that
2:47:13those stray numbers potentially changed
2:47:16the uh the rates so i wanted to at least
2:47:19um
2:47:20acknowledge that and thank you for
2:47:21acknowledging that you will be
2:47:23reformatting this uh
2:47:25in the future because that there are
2:47:26some
2:47:28aspects of this that were quite
2:47:29challenging for me thank you greg you're
2:47:31welcome
2:47:32i do have some
2:47:34overarching questions that potentially
2:47:37are policy related uh that so for the
2:47:41for us to potentially consider as a
2:47:42council
2:47:44one of them is the hour hourly rate for
2:47:46staff
2:47:47there's there's a broad range of hourly
2:47:50rates
2:47:51from as low as 32 dollars for cadets
2:47:55there's 93 dollars an hour for error
2:47:58handling which i i don't know if that's
2:48:01inspection or not
2:48:03there's there's one hourly rate that's
2:48:05like 500 an hour
2:48:08and and there's others that are
2:48:10potentially as high as 329 334 which are
2:48:14associated with specific positions which
2:48:16i don't have a an issue on
2:48:18it's the
2:48:19um
2:48:21it's the fact that the hourly rates
2:48:23do vary so much that i was just
2:48:25wondering if we want to give some sort
2:48:28of guidance as to how we would like
2:48:30hourly rates
2:48:32to be
2:48:33um
2:48:34to be set whether it be set for this
2:48:36year or be set for next year
2:48:38uh i i don't have a strong preference
2:48:40but the the fact that we have hourly
2:48:42rates that are
2:48:44[Music]
2:48:46you know in
2:48:47for example if you just go to the
2:48:49the mpe the mechanical
2:48:52uh plumbing and electrical table which
2:48:54is section
2:48:5712.
2:48:59yeah section 12
2:49:01on pages uh 115 of 119 and 1
2:49:0616 of 119
2:49:07you will see that the
2:49:09um
2:49:11the plan check per hour fraction of
2:49:13for the mechanical is 189.52
2:49:16and for
2:49:18uh plumbing it's one
2:49:213905 and for
2:49:23electrical it's 139.05
2:49:25and so
2:49:27my question my question for council
2:49:30to give potentially
2:49:32and staff an opportunity to answer this
2:49:34is is do we want the hourly rates to be
2:49:40established in some
2:49:42systematic way so that doesn't appear to
2:49:44be
2:49:47have
2:49:48randomness to it as it potentially does
2:49:50now so that's that's a
2:49:52opportunity for shannon you to sort of
2:49:54opine but then potentially we can give
2:49:56you guidance whether it's this year or
2:49:58some future new year
2:50:02well according to what i've been able to
2:50:03determine it's it's a little difficult
2:50:05to determine how these rates were
2:50:07actually
2:50:07[Music]
2:50:10what the methodology was because they're
2:50:12legacy
2:50:13fees
2:50:15but based on
2:50:16budget the the budgets that we create
2:50:19every single year
2:50:20certain people are allocated in
2:50:22different ways and so the same person
2:50:25might
2:50:27have one function in this area but they
2:50:30might have another function in another
2:50:32and and i think that the way that
2:50:34they're really calculated is to put all
2:50:37the function of all of the people that
2:50:39have a piece of these pies
2:50:42together and then create the fee
2:50:44so i as far as a methodology is
2:50:46concerned yeah i would need guidance on
2:50:48how you want that to actually be in the
2:50:51future normally when you're looking at a
2:50:53rate or or
2:50:56these types of fees you would look at
2:50:58the person or persons of that are
2:51:00involved classification classifications
2:51:03and uh benefits
2:51:05and you know times the the number of
2:51:08hours per year divided by that and come
2:51:10up with the actual
2:51:12rate
2:51:13in this section i can't really
2:51:16definitively speak to how they did this
2:51:18but
2:51:19um it can be done that way so that it's
2:51:22more
2:51:23comprehensive
2:51:24uh makes more sense in in i'm not i
2:51:28don't want to necessarily delay our
2:51:30adoption of the master fee schedule for
2:51:32this year but i certainly would love to
2:51:37ask the council to weigh in as they go
2:51:39through their questions or comments on
2:51:41that issue i would like to see
2:51:43our
2:51:44hourly rates be
2:51:46potentially
The master fee schedule was presented, and a question about its hourly rates had no clear answer.
Finance supervisor Shannon Collins presented the schedule: language changes, increases and stabilizations across departments, with a 3 percent CPI increase where no other change was set.
Lyman asked whether hourly rates should “be established in some systematic way so that doesn't appear to be have randomness to it as it potentially does now.”
The finance supervisor's answer: “it's a little difficult to determine how these rates were actually… what the methodology was, because they're legacy fees.”
The same person might be allocated differently across budgets, producing different hourly rates for the same staff time.
Two police fees had spreadsheet errors: the traffic collision report copy should stay $6, and the photo and video fee should be $32, not $64. Lyman found the same stray value in a construction valuation table.
“It's a little difficult to determine how these rates were actually… what the methodology was because they're legacy fees” — so the same staff hour is billed at different rates in different parts of the schedule.
17 A fee nobody uses captions 4513–5049
2:51:48revisited next year with a with a more
2:51:50comprehensive
2:51:51uh
2:51:51[Music]
2:51:54methodology
2:51:55for just the hourly rates there's lots
2:51:57of other things that we have there are
2:51:59specific fees that are associated with
2:52:01the
2:52:032005
2:52:05uh fee schedule study where we looked at
2:52:08the how many hours were spent on each
2:52:10piece of work and so i'm not trying to
2:52:12undo that that that study that we've
2:52:15been basing all of our escalations and
2:52:17cpis on but when it comes to hourly
2:52:19rates we do have
2:52:22classifications in positions that are
2:52:24doing that type of work that we
2:52:26potentially could get a blended
2:52:27rate and and calculate an hourly rate so
2:52:30that that's my
2:52:31question for council to weigh in as you
2:52:34go through this
2:52:35um
2:52:36street closure permits this is in police
2:52:38the police section
2:52:41there's no
2:52:42street closure
2:52:44fee difference for residents versus
2:52:46non-residents like we we provide so many
2:52:49other discounts for residents and versus
2:52:52non-residents so just curious
2:52:56if there was any
2:52:58benefit to adding a
2:53:00a discounted rate for residents to close
2:53:03a street for
2:53:04say a block party
2:53:10thank you uh for calling me up here
2:53:12councilmember lymon good evening council
2:53:13i'm paul keith your chief of police
2:53:15um that's certainly something that the
2:53:17council could consider um
2:53:19at times uh when a neighborhood is
2:53:21having a neighborhood block party they
2:53:23may get a waiver of a street closure fee
2:53:27however typically when we have street
2:53:29closures for things like construction
2:53:31projects we don't typically waive fees
2:53:33in those cases when actual business is
2:53:35being conducted
2:53:37also as a another resident benefit when
2:53:39we have national night out
2:53:41residents that do sign up for that get a
2:53:43free street closure as part of that
2:53:45participating in that program
2:53:47so if that's something that the council
2:53:49would like to pursue that is something
2:53:51we could look at
2:53:52there are some basic costs associated
2:53:54with street closures that come from
2:53:55public works which is uh bringing bear
2:53:58transporting barricades uh there's costs
2:54:00associated with maintaining the
2:54:01barricades that we use for street
2:54:02closures so
2:54:04that might be something to look at if we
2:54:05want to go with the residence rate to
2:54:08really boil down to what are the basic
2:54:10costs of public works
2:54:12and
2:54:13see if we could fit it in there or if
2:54:14we're the city is willing to absorb some
2:54:16of those costs from public works to do
2:54:18it you know i'm not telling i want to
2:54:21give free street closures to every block
2:54:24party
2:54:24but
2:54:25it seems that if there was a resident
2:54:28rate that could be established uh that
2:54:31that would be potentially a more
2:54:33appropriate
2:54:34use of that and so i'm i would be
2:54:37proposing
2:54:38that we add a line under
2:54:40uh subsection three to of police that
2:54:44basically would say street closure
2:54:46permit hyphen resident
2:54:49we do have
2:54:50uh
2:54:51we do have that type of discount in
2:54:53recreation uh so this is not a uh
2:54:56unusual concept so i just
2:54:58would love to put to
2:55:00suggest that so
2:55:03um
2:55:04well we're on that
2:55:05point being uh the person who lives on
2:55:08the line literally
2:55:09um
2:55:11it would seem to me that you
2:55:13in the in the case of a block party the
2:55:15only
2:55:16case where you would have uh
2:55:19non-resident
2:55:21block parties
2:55:24you know a non-resident block part your
2:55:26house
2:55:27yeah it's kind of yeah it's kind of at
2:55:29my house but uh no it actually isn't at
2:55:31my house because i can go either way but
2:55:34uh
2:55:35the you know it becomes on the edge it's
2:55:38only the the houses that are on the
2:55:40border
2:55:41precise border my house is actually
2:55:44over is on both sides
2:55:47so street closure permit right now is
2:55:49not descript it's just a street closure
2:55:51permit and it doesn't say what the
2:55:53purpose is for and so all i'm saying is
2:55:56that we have a residential rate
2:55:59for
2:56:00uh
2:56:00for you know like a
2:56:02afternoon or a
2:56:04a short-term you know closure that we
2:56:07provide a discount that's that's all i'm
2:56:09we've provided it to a non-resident
2:56:12they don't live in they're not in the
2:56:14city how can they do that as the police
2:56:16chief
2:56:17testified we we do have non-resident
2:56:20street closures
2:56:21every year right but i'm not sure
2:56:26i'm not talking about block parties i
2:56:28thought we were no i'm talking about
2:56:30street closure permits i okay i'm sorry
2:56:32i thought i heard it in the context of
2:56:34block parties so never mind what i'm
2:56:35saying street closure part street
2:56:37closure permit for example like a block
2:56:40party so for example i may need to close
2:56:44the street for filming a movie
2:56:48and so i would come and ask for a street
2:56:50closure or for example the long borders
2:56:53that came down my street about you know
2:56:56two years ago three years ago if they
2:56:58wanted to close
2:56:59three or four blocks so they could have
2:57:01a long board
2:57:03tournament but
2:57:04their residents do they get a discount
2:57:07or not so there are other reasons to
2:57:09close streets than the block party the
2:57:11block party is just an example the block
2:57:13party was the example that i thought it
2:57:15was a little peculiar but anyway never
2:57:17it's okay right so so for example a
2:57:20non-resident that's filming
2:57:23long board contest would potentially
2:57:25have to pay the non-resident rate versus
2:57:28a resident rate okay thank you for the
2:57:30clarification
2:57:31uh chief keith while you're still up
2:57:33there i
2:57:34i wanted you to explain
2:57:37why we're not increasing the permit fees
2:57:40for concealed weapons permit
2:57:43so the concealed weapons permit fee is
2:57:46actually set by the state of california
2:57:48you may remember about two years ago the
2:57:51rate was somewhere around 600 to 700
2:57:53dollars and we were informed by
2:57:56an alert a citizen that that actually is
2:58:00not in line with state law so
2:58:02state law sets the rate for that at a
2:58:04hundred dollars which is why it remains
2:58:06there
2:58:07and then the other thing was the bus
2:58:09zone we've decided not to
2:58:12do any increases this year
2:58:14that will remain uh
2:58:17at 440 dollars
2:58:20it still says 13 dollars in the
2:58:23adjustment area
2:58:25so i just wanted to point that out that
2:58:27it should read zero
2:58:31and could you explain a little more on
2:58:32that
2:58:33sure the bus zone uh citation amount in
2:58:37particular really stands out um it is
2:58:40common for a bus zone to be a more
2:58:42severe penalty than a typical red zone
2:58:44violation would be because it interferes
2:58:47with multiple people's transit
2:58:50and also can create roadway hazard
2:58:52conditions with buses having to stop at
2:58:54alternate locations because the drop-off
2:58:56zone is not available
2:58:58however when i was looking at it my
2:59:00recommendation was to keep it at zero uh
2:59:02it's already a significant fine
2:59:05um it didn't seem to me that it needed
2:59:06to go up another percentage point based
2:59:09on where it is it's
2:59:11in line with some of the more severe
2:59:12fines in the state of california
2:59:14things like disabled placard violations
2:59:17or
2:59:18at the top end of 200 to 300
2:59:20for a fine so my recommendation was to
2:59:23keep it steady at 440.
2:59:25we're also planning on looking at that
2:59:27fine in particular to see how we rank
2:59:29with other jurisdictions in the bay area
2:59:31to try to give some additional direction
2:59:33going into next year about where we
2:59:35might set that at okay thank you very
2:59:37much
2:59:38does anyone else have a question for
2:59:40chief keith
2:59:41okay thank you thank you
2:59:46are you are you finished with your
2:59:48questions
2:59:49no sorry
2:59:50um
2:59:51on the public works encroachment uh so
2:59:55public works is
2:59:56uh section
2:59:58six i think it is
3:00:00um
3:00:02there was an encroachment this is again
3:00:03one of those hourly fees
3:00:06um it's encroachment number one on-site
3:00:09improvements
3:00:10major over a half acre
3:00:13minimum deposit of 1870
3:00:15and then there was an hourly fee and i i
3:00:18just didn't understand
3:00:20what the hourly fee was for so i was
3:00:23just curious if that could be explained
3:00:25at some point
3:00:29good evening council yvette ortiz the
3:00:31city's public works director
3:00:33regarding that fee that fee is
3:00:36for our review of on-site improvements
3:00:39it's rarely used usually our review for
3:00:42on-site improvements is covered by the
3:00:44building permit fees and the hourly
3:00:47rates that are set that were set a
3:00:49couple years ago when we did the
3:00:51development um free study
3:00:53so it so it's a
3:00:55it's a it's a review it's the
3:00:58it's a fee for reviewing an encroachment
3:01:01permit application
3:01:03that fee is for on-site improvements
3:01:05which is not an encroachment uh so
3:01:07that's why it's not typically used um so
3:01:10it so it's in the wrong category it
3:01:12shouldn't be under that's why i was
3:01:13trying to figure out like who has a well
3:01:15maybe east bay mud has a half acre of
3:01:17ground they're going to rip up on along
3:01:18richmond street at some point but i was
3:01:20trying to figure out who has a half acre
3:01:22of of work in an inc in our our la on
3:01:26our land where an encroachment permit is
3:01:28needed
3:01:29um so that would be conceivably like you
3:01:32know east bay mud or east bay parks
3:01:34could conceivably come in and do
3:01:36something like that
3:01:39i don't know that there's any property
3:01:41like that that would encroach but
3:01:43potentially like the hillside natural
3:01:44area if stege or someone had to come in
3:01:47and do something um like
3:01:49so that's a good example like a utility
3:01:51corridor encroachment would be what this
3:01:54would be for in a park or yeah open
3:01:56space but it hasn't happened in a while
3:01:59that used to so and the fee um
3:02:02was calculated as part of the 2005 uh
3:02:06fee study versus the development related
3:02:08fees yeah so if you if we could just
3:02:11improve the description of that line
3:02:13item so that it's it's more
3:02:15understandable of what that fee is for
3:02:17so it would be
3:02:19a review of an encroachment permit um
3:02:22that would be great okay because that to
3:02:24me
3:02:25i was just
3:02:26trying to figure out what that was for
3:02:28um also in
3:02:30encroachment i think this is
3:02:33is the
3:02:34parking controls
3:02:37um
3:02:37[Music]
3:02:38oh shoot where did i find that
3:02:40miscellaneous r
3:02:43so it's
3:02:45it's in this section
3:02:47[Music]
3:02:48in miscellaneous
3:02:50r so so it's on page 106 of 119
3:02:55i think is that right yes part it's
3:02:58under the parking controls and it's on
3:03:00parking controls number one appeals
3:03:03what are what are people appealing
3:03:06um the city council adopted an ordinance
3:03:09a red curb no parking ordinance i think
3:03:11it was
3:03:12maybe 2008 2009 that gave the authority
3:03:16to the city engineer to establish red
3:03:18curbs and there was an appeal process
3:03:20that was established by the ordinance so
3:03:22this would be appealing
3:03:24a decision to paint a red curb in front
3:03:26of say a business or a home correct okay
3:03:30so we've never gone through that no
3:03:32one's ever appealed a red curve or no
3:03:33parking restriction okay so so that's a
3:03:36peel of of curb
3:03:38of a parking control got it now i
3:03:40understand what that is okay great thank
3:03:42you
3:03:43um
3:03:46all right in planning uh section seven
3:03:50of
3:03:52fencing so there's i'm going to have two
3:03:54there's two questions about fencing
3:03:56one is in
3:03:58section
3:03:59um
3:03:59[Music]
3:04:00section three of
3:04:02planning which is
3:04:04uh
3:04:06basically you fence clearance it's it's
3:04:09uh
3:04:11page 108 there's a fence clearance and
3:04:15what the explanation back was that
3:04:16that's
3:04:17to
3:04:19review
3:04:20drawings simple drawings but then
3:04:22there's also fence permit which is
3:04:25in
3:04:26um
3:04:27under miscellaneous there's
3:04:29fence
3:04:30it's miscellaneous there's fence permits
3:04:32and i think the fence permits is that
3:04:34for new fences
3:04:36so so i'm just trying to figure out how
3:04:38these two
3:04:39fees work together if if that if that's
3:04:43if they do
3:04:46um melanin's community development
3:04:48director who doesn't often go to the
3:04:49counter and so uh sean is not here and
3:04:52this is a little different than the
3:04:53question that we got generally earlier
3:04:55in the day but one of them had to do was
3:04:57with our domestic animal keeping right
3:05:00so the chicken clearance and it actually
3:05:02was fence clearance and why it's the
3:05:03same cost as the chicken clearance and
3:05:05the answer i got back was essentially
3:05:07that um the fence clearance is be is
3:05:10used
3:05:11to review simple drawings to ensure that
3:05:14fences meet the required location and
3:05:16height standards
3:05:17but but isn't that what the fence permit
3:05:19does so i'm trying to figure out what a
3:05:21how how when would somebody use vent
3:05:24fence clearance if there's a fence
3:05:26permit so i'm just trying to understand
3:05:28how
3:05:28how this fence clearance dovetails with
3:05:31fence permits might be
3:05:33duplicative i mean i think you saw in
3:05:34the answer that these are generally
3:05:36ministerial where we're looking to see
3:05:38if they meet the standards for whatever
3:05:39that fence is
3:05:43do you have something to add to that
3:05:45sure
3:05:51good
3:05:52good evening council and mayor
3:05:55with regards to fences
3:05:58there is no requirement for a building
3:05:59permit or a permit to install a fence as
3:06:02long as it's no taller than six feet
3:06:05uh most of our permits or fences where
3:06:07we go out and inspect or we review the
3:06:10details of the fence
3:06:12are for fences that are exceeding six
3:06:15feet in height and that's because of
3:06:18wind load factors and other
3:06:19considerations that go into the larger
3:06:22fences
3:06:23so with a fence that's less that are six
3:06:25feet or less you can go ahead and put
3:06:27one in you can repair it
3:06:29you can even repair a taller fence as
3:06:31long as you're only doing
3:06:33small sections of it under a
3:06:35miscellaneous repair permit just to make
3:06:37sure that
3:06:38the materials being used for the repair
3:06:40are similar to what was
3:06:42in the original construction
3:06:45uh the fence clearance uh goes through
3:06:47planting so they can determine
3:06:50uh if the fence you're planning on
3:06:51putting in can be put in that location
3:06:54so it could be for instance a fence
3:06:56that's close to front property line
3:06:58where there are height limitations where
3:07:00you can't go up to six feet maybe you're
3:07:02limited to three feet
3:07:04so that's why planting uh reviews the
3:07:06fences first before we issue a permit
3:07:08for a fence if if one is needed
3:07:11okay so great so that what if i
3:07:12understand it the fence clearance would
3:07:14also apply to
3:07:16six to ten foot fences freestanding most
3:07:20likely yes or except because my
3:07:21understanding
3:07:22my
3:07:23my little bit of understanding of fence
3:07:25is that you can't do more than three
3:07:28feet if you're within 10 feet or within
3:07:30you know
3:07:31the curb the sidewalk and there's
3:07:33distances setbacks from the sidewalk
3:07:35that have height restrictions so that's
3:07:38what the fence clearance would help a
3:07:40homeowner
3:07:42deal with is understanding all of the
3:07:44setback and height restrictions correct
3:07:46okay great thanks
3:07:50um this is uh on in planning um
3:07:56in planning the uh last year we had
3:07:59extensive discussion at council
3:08:01to with regards to the fee for appeals
3:08:05and we set the appeal
3:08:07value at 500
3:08:10it's going up roughly 15 dollars
3:08:13associated with the cpi 3 percent and i
3:08:16just wanted to make sure that council
3:08:18was
3:08:19aware of that and
3:08:21and comfortable with that fee going up
3:08:24since we did have an extensive
3:08:25discussion last year
3:08:27about that fee
3:08:30um
3:08:31you're not only that let's see that's
3:08:32fencing and so uh similar to fencing
3:08:36this is this is a building uh permit fee
3:08:39is the siding in stucco
3:08:41so um and maybe it's just
3:08:44the way this is set up so under fences
3:08:48you just said you can repair an existing
3:08:49fence without necessarily getting a
3:08:51permit if it's you know under a certain
3:08:53size
3:08:54is that true for the section that's
3:08:55called out for uh siding and
3:08:59um stucco for example i mean it if i
3:09:03already have a house that's built
3:09:06and it has
3:09:07stucco on it and now i have to go and do
3:09:09dry rot
3:09:10do i need to get
3:09:12a building permit separately for the dry
3:09:14rot or the structural work and for the
3:09:17siding how does how does that work or is
3:09:19this for new
3:09:21is this for converting
3:09:23my house from
3:09:24stucco to cedar shake siding
3:09:31let me let me address the first part um
3:09:33if you have a permit to repair dry rot
3:09:36and it's the dry rots underneath the
3:09:38stucco or the siding
3:09:39then the cost of the permit for dry rot
3:09:42repair
3:09:44will cover
3:09:45the reapplication of stucco or siding
3:09:48that was there
3:09:49if you are as you say going to
3:09:52go into
3:09:54wanting to replace your stuff take off
3:09:56your stucco and put wood siding on or
3:09:57vice versa or even you don't like the
3:10:00look of the current stuck on you want to
3:10:01pull it off and
3:10:04replace it then that's where the siding
3:10:06and the stucco permits come into play
3:10:09and in new
3:10:10construction that's already built into
3:10:13the fee
3:10:14right so so in this if i'm just a casual
3:10:17person looking at the the master fee
3:10:19schedule
3:10:20when it comes to fences i don't know if
3:10:22that's repair or new for example when i
3:10:24come to sighting in stucco i don't know
3:10:26if it's repair or new so i don't know if
3:10:28there's a way for us to indicate what
3:10:31you just said
3:10:33um in in the
3:10:34in the master fee schedule
3:10:36um
3:10:38that would just be my thought and and to
3:10:41because
3:10:42i got i had to come home in the middle
3:10:44of the day and replace my door
3:10:46there is
3:10:47something called new door non-structural
3:10:50replacement
3:10:51and so my question was
3:10:53when my front door is kicked in and i go
3:10:55to the hardware store and buy a new door
3:10:58and i put it on the same hinges that
3:11:00were
3:11:01there
Line-by-line questions exposed charges that were obscure, unused or unclear.
Public works director Yvette Ortiz: an hourly review fee for on-site improvements is “rarely used,” because building permit fees usually cover the review.
Lyman proposed a resident rate for street closure permits. Police Chief Paul Keith said block parties may get waivers and National Night Out participants get free closures, but construction and business closures pay. The concealed weapons permit fee stays at the state-set $100, and the bus zone fine at $440.
On fences: “there is no requirement for a building permit… to install a fence as long as it's no taller than six feet” — taller ones need review for wind load.
The study behind these rates dated partly from 2005.
A councilmember asked that hourly rates be revisited next year “with a more comprehensive methodology,” noting some fees still trace to “the 2005 fee schedule study.”
The planning appeal fee, set at $500 after extensive discussion the previous year, would rise about $15 with the CPI. Lyman asked that the schedule distinguish repair from new work for siding and stucco.
Appeals of red-curb decisions, provided since an ordinance of about 2008, had never been used.
A public works review fee is “rarely used” because building permits already cover the work, and some rates still trace to the 2005 fee study.
18 Replacing a door captions 5050–5559
3:11:02do i have to pay this
3:11:04this fee
3:11:05because it says it's replacement
3:11:07so i'm i'm just i'm just looking at the
3:11:09yeah exactly the answer is no
3:11:11but the wording that's in here would
3:11:13lead me to believe that i you know i as
3:11:15a council member i broke our permit
3:11:18rules now uh that refers to
3:11:21the situation where you're replacing the
3:11:23entire door and frame assembly
3:11:26you're not altering the rough frame
3:11:28opening but you're putting a new door
3:11:30new jam
3:11:31everything
3:11:32brand new going into there we want to
3:11:34make sure that you're putting in a door
3:11:35that's uh the correct size
3:11:37for that location and if there's any
3:11:39glass involved in the door or side
3:11:41lights or anything like that that
3:11:43they have tempered safety glass in place
3:11:46okay that i understand so again if
3:11:49my in my house the
3:11:51door jamb the door failed not the door
3:11:53jamb so i actually didn't have to
3:11:55replace the jamb but have most
3:11:58most columns the door jamb fails and so
3:12:00they have to replace the
3:12:02the door jamb as well as the door
3:12:05that would require this 133 dollar
3:12:09uh
3:12:10um correct yeah we also want to make
3:12:12sure that the the weather uh seal or the
3:12:14flashing around the frame and the door
3:12:16is
3:12:17intact so you don't have any water leaks
3:12:19right water leaks
3:12:20and the mold the mold and the water
3:12:22damage that goes with that
3:12:24okay um
3:12:29i suppose uh the wording getting instead
3:12:32of just saying new door you could say a
3:12:34complete new door and jam assembly that
3:12:37would that would help a lot but again
3:12:39where i'm going is that and i know we
3:12:41all use our personal experiences is that
3:12:44i've known several people's homes that
3:12:46been kicked in and most of them unlike
3:12:49mine the the jam failed and so they
3:12:51would potentially have had to in in
3:12:54addition to the insult of
3:12:56you know being uh
3:12:58burglarized they then theoretically need
3:13:00to get a permit for 135
3:13:03which i understand
3:13:05the reasons you just rattle them off
3:13:06it's for health and structural and
3:13:09safety and i mean there's all sorts of
3:13:11good reasons um i'm just
3:13:13would ask the council to consider that
3:13:15we potentially consider waiving
3:13:18uh for certain circumstances like home
3:13:20invasion so that would be our you know
3:13:22burglary so i that
3:13:24that would be it wouldn't be
3:13:27necessarily a
3:13:29change in the fee because there's lots
3:13:32of people who don't like their front
3:13:33door and they want to change their front
3:13:34door but in in the case of uh
3:13:38of burglary it
3:13:40it certainly would be
3:13:43something we should consider that's all
3:13:45thank you for those of my questions
3:13:47council members one other thing uh
3:13:49before we get off that you brought up
3:13:51earlier
3:13:52uh it has to do with the hourly rates
3:13:53for uh plan review
3:13:56and the meps
3:13:58so um i don't know if you got a response
3:14:01to
3:14:02your email from earlier today or
3:14:03yesterday
3:14:04uh already but
3:14:06i did try to address that and
3:14:09uh it is correct that the fees are are
3:14:12not quite consistent
3:14:14and i would have proposed that we um
3:14:17they should have
3:14:18actually been
3:14:20the 189.52 for point of view for all of
3:14:23them which is consistent with the
3:14:25supplemental plan check fee we charge in
3:14:27the miscellaneous section
3:14:29and the same goes for inspection i'm
3:14:31more than it is is the inspection
3:14:33something like the air handler is that
3:14:34an inspection and the air handler is at
3:14:37a different subject somehow or other
3:14:40those columns
3:14:41maybe in some of the manipulation of xl
3:14:45uh it got lost instead of per hour it
3:14:47should have been each
3:14:49excellent i would love to see that
3:14:51corrected at some point
3:14:52um because those do make that makes more
3:14:54sense to me that an air handler is an
3:14:56each and not an hour
3:14:57um with that then i would recommend to
3:15:00council that we change
3:15:01uh the standalone plumbing plan check
3:15:04from
3:15:04139.05 to 189.52
3:15:08and we change the standalone electrical
3:15:10plan check from 139.05
3:15:13to 189.52
3:15:16so thank you for allowing me to pick
3:15:18that out and help you get the right rate
3:15:21and also the
3:15:23standalone
3:15:24hourly rate of inspection for electrical
3:15:26plumbing mechanical should be 148.32
3:15:30[Music]
3:15:32148.32 as opposed to the 120 360.
3:15:36correct
3:15:37okay
3:15:40uh
3:15:41one all three of them would go from
3:15:43123.60 to
3:15:45148.
3:15:4732 148 33 supplemental plan our
3:15:51supplemental inspection in the
3:15:52miscellaneous section excellent thank
3:15:54you for that justification
3:15:57council member fidelity yes i know the
3:15:59hour is late so i'm going to talk really
3:16:00fast and some of you may need to jump up
3:16:03here and
3:16:05shannon i just had a broad general
3:16:07question about doing this every year
3:16:10do you come up with a
3:16:13conclusion that last year's paid for the
3:16:16services
3:16:17in fact that were made
3:16:19by the city
3:16:21just generally i mean you do there's a
3:16:23lot of fees and a lot of services and
3:16:25the goal is to try to
3:16:27put fees to pay for what we do is there
3:16:31a conclusion statement somewhere that
3:16:33that's happened or
3:16:35in the um or and that there's a need to
3:16:38raise those rates if you haven't met
3:16:39those goals well
3:16:42first of all
3:16:43there are a lot of fees that don't cover
3:16:45the costs uh associated with the actual
3:16:48function or action um
3:16:52when we put in the a b that
3:16:55this is kind of a constant that we look
3:16:58at all the fees we try to cover our
3:17:00costs but we realize that going
3:17:03too high and
3:17:05would put us in a an unfavorable market
3:17:08uh rate
3:17:10i think that all of the departments look
3:17:13at and and this is a this is all of
3:17:16these fees group effort
3:17:18yeah and it's a constantly evolving
3:17:20group effort yeah so i depend on the
3:17:24different departments to come up with
3:17:26and tell me what it actually cost for
3:17:28them to
3:17:30provide these services
3:17:32and um so you may know department by
3:17:34department that money is being lost and
3:17:36you need to
3:17:38realize that um but unfortunately in
3:17:41certain circumstances there's nothing
3:17:42that we can really do about it to keep
3:17:44uh competitive with the market and and
3:17:47go with the laws that govern
3:17:50the varying things i was just curious
3:17:52about that and i know getting back to
3:17:54one of
3:17:55uh mr lyman's comments about wages i
3:17:58know with the rec department the minimum
3:18:00wage was the reason
3:18:01some of the
3:18:03temporary employees or whatever needed
3:18:05needed to come up but that was a real
3:18:07rule that we could use on that
3:18:10some my next questions are mainly on the
3:18:12how
3:18:13um
3:18:14not on the how much necessarily like
3:18:16with public works the analysis talks
3:18:18about traffic control and striping
3:18:22is that by request
3:18:24how do you how do you get the person to
3:18:26pay that fee is it by those that request
3:18:29this work
3:18:30because if you're doing this work how do
3:18:33you bill somebody for that
3:18:35and the same thing
3:18:37maybe marie can come up next about the
3:18:39recycling center there's a lot of
3:18:42questions in there about how are we
3:18:43going to
3:18:44find someone for the big amount of books
3:18:46that are coming in or a non-resident how
3:18:49do we find them and give them a fee okay
3:18:53so
3:18:54regarding the traffic striping and
3:18:56pavement marketing restoration that's
3:18:58the cost for the city to restore
3:19:01striping or markers that are damaged or
3:19:04removed as part of an encroachment
3:19:06permit
3:19:07so it's related to encroachment permit
3:19:08work so when we go out and inspect the
3:19:11work if they've removed a striping
3:19:14pavement marking then we will add that
3:19:16to their fee so that's because they did
3:19:18that okay so there is a person
3:19:21that we can yeah the the applicant for
3:19:23the encroachment permit
3:19:26and that's part of the traffic control
3:19:27issue as well that's uh should be under
3:19:30encroachment permits okay because you
3:19:32have an analysis traffic control
3:19:35uh new fees related to uh
3:19:38payment marking okay yeah yeah and
3:19:40that's the encroachment permit
3:19:42um on the recycle center
3:19:45i'm just curious about you know new new
3:19:47fees for styrofoam
3:19:49um
3:19:50uh books
3:19:52and then also when
3:19:54a bin is not put out a neighbor
3:19:57doesn't put a bin out um
3:19:59and i've seen a recycled person go get
3:20:01the bin is that do you bill a one-time
3:20:04thing to somebody who hasn't put a bin
3:20:06out once and they go get it or is it a
3:20:09calling up and saying i can't get my bin
3:20:12please
3:20:13do this all the time
3:20:15are you talking about the special
3:20:17backyard service are you talking about
3:20:19the the new fee where we're saying if
3:20:21it's a somebody fails to put it out
3:20:23before
3:20:24we go by um
3:20:27and then they call for a mix miss pick
3:20:29up currently we do just go out whenever
3:20:31anybody complains about it um and
3:20:35now that we have new trucks that have uh
3:20:38cameras that actually can record
3:20:40whether the bin was out or not when we
3:20:43pass by we can now kind of say no
3:20:46that's actually um we can actually
3:20:48assess a fee against it before it was we
3:20:51it was very hard for us to determine if
3:20:53that person actually
3:20:55you know we actually missed it and it
3:20:57was our fault versus it was their fault
3:20:59and does that go through the mail on the
3:21:01invoice
3:21:02yeah it would go on their bill their
3:21:04garbage bill their garbage bill
3:21:05okay
3:21:06um so at the recycle center a new a
3:21:09books fee and how do we find out about
3:21:12people that aren't residents that's a
3:21:14that's quite a scene out there not not
3:21:16for the books so um for the books the
3:21:19test books and the analysis yeah um
3:21:22there are books there are a couple
3:21:23things uh for
3:21:25what that one's a size issue so for
3:21:29books
3:21:30often we get people calling from all
3:21:32over the um region who call in and say
3:21:35do you take large loads of books and in
3:21:38the past we have
3:21:40because
3:21:41there was
3:21:42we were actually getting revenue for
3:21:44that we are no longer getting revenue
3:21:46and in fact it's actually a cost center
3:21:48for us at this point in time so so in
3:21:51order not to affect the casual book user
3:21:53i mean the casual um users of the book
3:21:56exchange uh we would um
3:22:00those you know people can kind of still
3:22:02drop off you know a box of books or
3:22:04something like that but um and and we
3:22:07wouldn't be able to monitor everything
3:22:09you're not going to go out there and
3:22:10build those guys right now so it's
3:22:12mainly for people who
3:22:13request and we often get requests for
3:22:15special service because they might have
3:22:17an actual truckload of books so that's
3:22:21the folks that we're trying to hit
3:22:24anything else on the recycling that's
3:22:26uh you mentioned styrofoam styrofoam
3:22:28yeah so styrofoam
3:22:31we've been looking at operations for
3:22:33that and
3:22:34the the cost of st what we get paid for
3:22:37styrofoam is incredibly low compared to
3:22:41the cost
3:22:42that we
3:22:44incur in processing it
3:22:46since we're pretty much one of the only
3:22:49facilities around that actually use
3:22:51styrofoam
3:22:53non-residents use it quite a bit and
3:22:55we've had some informal conversations
3:22:57with folks saying well you know would
3:22:59you still use it if we charge for it if
3:23:01you're a non-resident and and people
3:23:03have been fairly positive um
3:23:06there's others that probably you know
3:23:07won't be as positive about it but um it
3:23:10is um kind of a fairness
3:23:12issue for the rate payers not to have to
3:23:15um
3:23:16for them not to be incurring that cost
3:23:18on the on behalf of people outside of
3:23:20the rate um or outside of el cerrito so
3:23:24so we did a computation and
3:23:27that was the number that we came up for
3:23:29per pound
3:23:30thank you i have a couple housing
3:23:32questions i don't know if you see i can
3:23:34answer
3:23:35um
3:23:36our inclusionary
3:23:38provision are in lieu fund the 17 per
3:23:41square foot is that a a the going rate
3:23:44how did we get that figure yeah so i
3:23:47used a shuri housing analyst for the
3:23:49city we
3:23:50conducted a financial feasibility study
3:23:52last spring
3:23:54and we determined that that was the fee
3:23:56that was feasible based on development
3:23:59that we've had today and as we mentioned
3:24:02when that ordinance was adopted um we
3:24:04will bring that back um for your
3:24:06consideration once we've had more
3:24:07projects in the ground to see if um
3:24:09there's any thank you
3:24:11and i i've been concerned about not
3:24:13overseeing the adus
3:24:16and i know there's an like a 90 percent
3:24:19um
3:24:21there's a there's some you talk about a
3:24:23cutback or a discount in the analysis
3:24:26but then getting back up to 100 percent
3:24:29soon
3:24:32melanie do you want to comment on the
3:24:33adu um females i think that were
3:24:36previously discounted discounted it
3:24:38sounds like it's gonna you're trying to
3:24:40get it back up soon thereafter from the
3:24:4290 percent that you're
3:24:44that's right so in general
3:24:46when we did the fee schedule last year
3:24:48remember we did discount
3:24:50um and decided because we were
3:24:51restructuring and doing it for the adus
3:24:53we've done some analysis
3:24:56and
3:24:57the uptake of adus being built has been
3:25:00dramatic so we've gone from
3:25:03prior to adoption of the ordinance and
3:25:04kind of just more awareness of adu it
3:25:07was actually a planner term that got
3:25:09adopted into our regular parlance right
3:25:10what was in-laws before so we were doing
3:25:12about six to seven a year um in the year
3:25:15prior to us adopting the ordinance to
3:25:18city council adopting the ordinance we
3:25:19did do 13. so that was kind of our peak
3:25:21year and since then we've been doing
3:25:23about 26 a year
3:25:25so we felt that
3:25:27given the city's budget and the goal to
3:25:30do cross recovery were possible
3:25:33that
3:25:34the incentive provided
3:25:36by the
3:25:37ordinance changes the zoning changes
3:25:39were really we think the biggest as well
3:25:41as the awareness of the state level and
3:25:42regionally and that the permit itself
3:25:45was not the incentive
3:25:47um similarly in our building
3:25:49official can talk more about this
3:25:50they're actually quite complicated um to
3:25:52inspect he was saying today they're more
3:25:54complicated than a standard room a
3:25:56standard house addition because they're
3:25:58coming in all shapes and sizes and
3:26:01aren't there supposed to be less
3:26:03regulation
3:26:04so
3:26:05less zoning regulation so we did take
3:26:07away zoning regulations and made it much
3:26:09more permissible we created different
3:26:11parking requirements we allowed um
3:26:13off-street parking to fulfill
3:26:15um what used to have to be covered uh
3:26:18driveway parking so uncovered parking to
3:26:20fulfill what was required is covered
3:26:21parking suite expanded
3:26:24the ease with which adus could be
3:26:26permissible you're saying that we
3:26:29probably even though we our goal is to
3:26:31enhance and increase these and they have
3:26:34only a year's worth of these reductions
3:26:36are what you think is necessary um so
3:26:39that staff's opinion is that the cost of
3:26:41the permit is low compared to the
3:26:44construction and that it does actually
3:26:45require
3:26:46quite a bit of staff time when it comes
3:26:47to the building permit inspection
3:26:48process
3:26:50that's steph's recommendation i would
3:26:52disagree with that but i hope you will
3:26:53monitor that and see if in fact that
3:26:55number goes you say it's 27 a year now
3:26:58that's what it's been yeah okay i i i
3:27:00will yeah we i think that's a good point
3:27:03so the other thing that's happening of
3:27:04course is getting a contractor and the
3:27:06construction costs are quite high it's
3:27:07over 500 a square foot so we do know
3:27:10there's some people who are not why i
3:27:11would say let's yeah
3:27:13we thought that the few hundred dollars
3:27:15for the permit compared to the hundred
3:27:17thousand dollar cost thank you and i
3:27:18have two really quick questions so i
3:27:21noticed in the um
3:27:24document that
3:27:25the edit from 30 days to monthly was
3:27:28made throughout what does that mean why
3:27:30what's the difference
3:27:33why was that an important change to make
3:27:40i'm getting everybody up here like uh
3:27:43good evening i'm chris jones your
3:27:44recreation is the purpose for you
3:27:46staying tonight that's right thank you i
3:27:48appreciate that
3:27:49um so it's really we're changing the
3:27:51basis of our permits rather than being
3:27:54a permit that is valid from say march
3:27:571st to march 31st we're changing it to
3:28:00the day you buy it it's valid for 30
3:28:02days
3:28:04so it's not a monthly
3:28:06better so it's better it's more flexible
3:28:08thank you thank you okay and last
3:28:09question i know there was this question
3:28:11about bumping up the fees
3:28:13um and i was when i looked at the
3:28:15numbers and like swimming lessons
3:28:1929
3:28:20well i mean i think this is a general
3:28:22bumping up question for all of these
3:28:24things
3:28:25but you know it was a
3:28:27an added a dollar sixteen but it bumped
3:28:29up to thirty one dollars
3:28:31why not you know
3:28:33why it used to be the rule was if it was
3:28:35over fifty point fifty you bump it up to
3:28:38the dollar throughout here even if it's
3:28:40three cents you bump it up to the next
3:28:42dollar
3:28:43is there a reason for that
3:28:46if you go down the fees and you look at
3:28:48the like swimming lessons or 29 dollars
3:28:51and then you've added a dollar 16
3:28:53and then the total new figures 31
3:28:56why not just add it
3:28:59instead of a dollar 16 add two dollars
3:29:08it's not just swimming lessons it's it's
3:29:11all of them they're like
3:29:13yeah we employed we used the round up
3:29:16feature but so
3:29:18basically um in order to get an even
3:29:21number we
3:29:22rounded everything up and and in
3:29:24recreation a lot of times because the
3:29:26fees are so small that sometimes um
3:29:30[Music]
3:29:31you know rounding would not actually
3:29:34result in an actual increase
3:29:36you know so if it was like 13 cents and
3:29:38you rounded it down there's no increase
The building fee language drew personal examples and exposed spreadsheet errors.
Lyman worried the wording implied a permit to replace a door — “i as a council member i broke our permit rules.” The building official said it applies to replacing the entire door and frame assembly, for size and safety glass; Lyman suggested waiving it after burglaries.
Then an error: units had been garbled “in some of the manipulation of Excel” — an air handler charged “per hour” when it “should have been each.”
Lyman recommended setting the standalone plumbing and electrical plan check fees at $189.52, not $139.05, and inspection at $148.32, not $123.60; staff agreed they should have been consistent.
Fadelli asked about recycling fees. Staff said styrofoam costs far more to process than it earns, and “we're pretty much one of the only facilities around” that takes it, so non-residents use it heavily; truckloads of books would also be charged.
On ADUs, Community Development Director Melanie Mintz said they had risen from six or seven a year to about 26, so staff concluded “the permit itself was not the incentive”; ADUs are “more complicated” to inspect than a standard addition. Fadelli disagreed with ending the discount.
Recreation passes would run 30 days from purchase instead of by calendar month.
Lyman catches spreadsheet errors at the dais — an air handler charged per hour instead of each, and plan check fees at $139.05 instead of $189.52. Staff conclude that ADU permit fees were “not the incentive” for the rise in ADUs.
19 Rounding up captions 5560–5657
3:29:41and so
3:29:42uh we employed the roundup feature and
3:29:44again we were also
3:29:46using that um because something like
3:29:48swim lessons are so heavily impacted by
3:29:51part-time employees and the
3:29:53um the adjustments that we
3:29:55made with the minimum wage we we just
3:29:58employed the round-up feature to
3:30:00it just doesn't seem transparent that i
3:30:02mean what you're that the total new
3:30:05number is
3:30:06dramatic why not just
3:30:08be honest about what we're raising it to
3:30:11i think that when we're rounding up from
3:30:12a 16 to the next dollar
3:30:15it say that we're raising it to the next
3:30:17dollar do you not want to do that or
3:30:20well i think it was mentioned in the
3:30:21agenda bill that we used rounding up
3:30:24yeah but i think it could be clearer
3:30:27on the schedule like when we're talking
3:30:28about redesigning it then i think this
3:30:30you know the straight percentage
3:30:32increase should be included
3:30:34in your packet next time so that you can
3:30:36just see it
3:30:38mayor i moved to extend the meeting till
3:30:4011 o'clock
3:30:43second
3:30:44all in favor
3:30:46aye
3:30:46those opposed
3:30:49motion carries
3:30:51who said may all right
3:30:54i'm done thank you thank you very much
3:30:55i'm still confused by that but
3:30:59think about it thank you okay question
3:31:02well councilmember fedele you asked the
3:31:04question that i was going to ask
3:31:06regarding accessory units and
3:31:08so i appreciate
3:31:11staff looking at that because
3:31:14this is our way to include uh affordable
3:31:17housing in el cerrito and when you add
3:31:19all these fees
3:31:21it's not so affordable anymore and and
3:31:23looking at the other fees there um so
3:31:27that that's important a lot of folks
3:31:29here in el cerrito would like to add an
3:31:31accessory unit uh for their mom that's
3:31:34going to move back in or you know so i
3:31:36just want to make sure that we monitor
3:31:38that so thank you
3:31:42first of all i'll say ditto to that
3:31:44comment because the
3:31:46the whole point of accessory units is to
3:31:48create more housing
3:31:51and
3:31:53it's an easy
3:31:55way it's you know it's just it's sort of
3:31:57like
3:31:58a free place to do it isn't it now
3:32:00required by state law that we allow it
3:32:02anyway
3:32:04yeah that's what i thought uh we we
3:32:06decided if i remember correctly um
3:32:10prior to it being a state law
3:32:12that in el cerrito it would it was
3:32:15allowed
3:32:16um and
3:32:18i've heard from people who are trying to
3:32:20do it
3:32:22that
3:32:23they've been
3:32:24some of them have actually even been
3:32:25harassed by their neighbors
3:32:29while they're trying to do that and i
3:32:31think we need to be very supportive
3:32:34of the
3:32:35adu
3:32:36uh editions
3:32:38because they really are a way to easily
3:32:43increase
3:32:44housing in our city and
3:32:47and
3:32:48um the more housing we have
3:32:52the uh it'll
3:32:53literally put the other way
3:32:56if we don't have enough housing the
3:32:57prices are going to go up
3:33:00if we have too much housing the prices
3:33:01are going to go down
3:33:03so that one way of decreasing prices
3:33:07among other things is to have plenty of
3:33:10housing and
3:33:12in addition to re reasons such as
3:33:15wanting to have an in-law unit
A member objected to how recreation fee increases were presented.
Staff had applied “the round-up feature” to recreation fees heavily affected by part-time wages and the new minimum wage.
The objection: “it just doesn't seem transparent… why not just be honest about what we're raising it to.”
Staff noted the method was disclosed in the agenda bill.
Quinto and Abelson asked staff to monitor ADU fees; Abelson noted some builders had been harassed by neighbors, and that more housing brings prices down.
Then concern about spreadsheet errors.
Recreation fees are rounded up to the next dollar, prompting “why not just be honest about what we're raising it to.” Staff cite part-time wages and the minimum wage.
20 Corrections after the fact captions 5658–5747
3:33:17or maybe it's your kids
3:33:20or maybe it's both you know and you just
3:33:21need to put one of them
3:33:23out there but
3:33:25the i think we need to remember what it
3:33:27is we are trying to do
3:33:30the main thing i want to add at this
3:33:32point in our conversation is i'm a
3:33:34little bit concerned about the um
3:33:38excel
3:33:39issues that and i'm wondering if it
3:33:41would be possible
3:33:43for somebody to go through it with a
3:33:45fresh
3:33:46set of eyes
3:33:48yes
3:33:50i have discussed this
3:33:51over the past few days with all of our
3:33:54staff and considering a lot of the
3:33:56issues that we have had we are going to
3:33:58be as shannon indicated looking into
3:34:00revamping this over the next year
3:34:03this is a legacy spreadsheet that we've
3:34:05been working with for years
3:34:07we have some different versions out
3:34:09there obviously there's been some
3:34:10limitations and we apologize for that
3:34:12confusion if that's
3:34:15the legacy thing i would
3:34:18i mean gregor was looking at it and
3:34:20catching it
3:34:23um
3:34:24we will fix it yes and so i'm not
3:34:27wanting that's not the kind of thing i
3:34:29would
3:34:30look to being fixed over the next year
3:34:32but rather what i'm wondering do we need
3:34:34to approve this tonight or could we
3:34:36when when do we need when is when do we
3:34:39need to do this by because i'm wondering
3:34:40if the staff would prefer that you do
3:34:42this tonight so that we have this
3:34:43ability to prepare the budget for you at
3:34:46the next council meeting
3:34:48um it has been publicly noticed for
3:34:50tonight as well and if you recall last
3:34:52year we came back with a set of
3:34:54corrections after the fact and we can do
3:34:56the same okay if if we could do that but
3:34:58if we could do it sooner rather than
3:35:00later
3:35:01um
3:35:03could we challenge ourselves to come
3:35:05back
3:35:06to go ahead and pass it tonight
3:35:07hopefully but then come back at the next
3:35:11meeting
3:35:12and be able to say that somebody's gone
3:35:14or maybe multiple somebodies because
3:35:17it's maybe too much for one person
3:35:19to to do it in an
3:35:21in a sane way yes the whole thing but um
3:35:26that it would be done before
3:35:28uh the next meeting yes thank you
3:35:31okay
3:35:36i'm finished okay
3:35:37i was just also looking at the edu fees
3:35:40is there
3:35:42it seems that the entire council is not
3:35:45particularly pleased with the increase i
3:35:46was wondering if anyone
3:35:49wanted to make any motion on how to
3:35:52adjust it sure um we were at 50 percent
3:35:56if you go to page 111 of 119
3:35:59and you look at the top four rows
3:36:02the column that says plan
3:36:04review um
3:36:06that was
3:36:07the 50
3:36:09rate of plan review if you go to the
3:36:11next column over that is plan review
3:36:13fiscal year 1819
3:36:16you will see that it doubles so for the
3:36:18first one it goes from 267 to 534.
3:36:22um what we could recommend there is no
3:36:26building permit column
3:36:28that would have been
3:36:30411 roughly
3:36:33uh but we could
3:36:36go to 75 percent
The schedule was adopted with corrections made at the dais and a full check promised.
A councilmember was “a little bit concerned about the Excel issues” and asked for “a fresh set of eyes.”
The City Manager: “if you recall, last year we came back with a set of corrections after the fact, and we can do the same.”
The request: pass it that night but return at the next meeting having had “somebody's gone or maybe multiple somebodies” through the whole thing.
Lyman proposed setting ADU fees at 75 percent of full cost recovery rather than doubling them.
Cordell Hindler supported the schedule.
The schedule was adopted on Lyman's motion, seconded by Abelson, with the police, ADU, building and bus zone corrections.
“Last year we came back with a set of corrections after the fact and we can do the same,” the City Manager says; the schedule is adopted with corrections made at the dais and a full check promised before the next meeting.
21 Who chooses the task force captions 5748–6149
3:36:38of the full rate so the the 534 is the
3:36:41full rate that should have been in place
3:36:42for this year
3:36:43we could go from 50 to 75 percent and
3:36:47then do the three percent cpi on that
3:36:49which would
3:36:50take us to
3:36:52in round numbers four hundred dollars as
3:36:54opposed to 551 dollars and it would
3:36:57probably take us to
3:36:59uh six hundred dollars instead of the
3:37:00847.
3:37:02so that so we could give direction to go
3:37:05to 75 of the full recovery
3:37:08um so if you now look at the last
3:37:10the two the two white columns between
3:37:12the two yellow columns
3:37:14basically would be telling them to do 75
3:37:16of this value
3:37:17and that that would be a compromise
3:37:20between
3:37:21keeping it
3:37:22lower
3:37:23but not as low as we kept it in the past
3:37:27but not going to the full 100 recovery
3:37:29in one year
3:37:32i would second that i would support that
3:37:34i also agree with that recommendation
3:37:38i would too do we need to make it it
3:37:40will be part of my motion
3:37:43there is public comment and this is the
3:37:45public
3:37:45yeah
3:37:46this isn't that's there's no emotion
3:37:48it'll be part of my my motion to to uh
3:37:51to to direct staff i'm making a long
3:37:53list of of things to make comment on um
3:37:56the greg the one thing i was wondering
3:37:58about was your comment about all in one
3:38:00year
3:38:01my my thought was i didn't want to
3:38:03necessarily ever get there
3:38:05certainly that future councils can make
3:38:07that decision right but so if we could
3:38:09just leave out that
3:38:11in one year that's fine
3:38:13i'm because
3:38:14saying it in one year implies that we're
3:38:17trying it won't be in my motion that way
3:38:18thank you i appreciate that we're still
3:38:20doing questions
3:38:23technically correct all right um okay so
3:38:26with that i'll end my questions um
3:38:29so we can open the public hearing
3:38:31officially
3:38:32and um because i believe that all of my
3:38:34questions have been answered um
3:38:37so um so next do we have
3:38:44report okay
3:38:46okay so the public hearing is now open
3:38:49do we have any public that wishes to
3:38:51speak on the item we do have one speaker
3:38:53cordell hindler
3:38:55thank you so thank you holly
3:38:57so uh good evening again uh mayor purdy
3:38:59okimoto council um
3:39:02i know it's pretty late so i'm gonna i'm
3:39:04gonna do a lot of councilmember fidel
3:39:05talk fast so
3:39:07the reason i support this uh this item
3:39:09is because it's all detailed and
3:39:12and
3:39:13everything i love the whole uh synopsis
3:39:15so i will make a motion that someone
3:39:18that uh to adopt this and then it gets
3:39:20second then then pull it and
3:39:23that's all and then other
3:39:25i did have another scenario you know
3:39:26when i was looking at the the packet uh
3:39:29earlier uh and i was looking at the the
3:39:31res the rental uh fees uh for the
3:39:34facilities i one of the things that came
3:39:37across to me was like you know like the
3:39:38cost of you know renting a facility you
3:39:41know like for example if there's like
3:39:43you know like a like a party or
3:39:46some sort of like fest festival you know
3:39:48like when i looked at it it's like okay
3:39:50300 that sounds that's not too bad so
3:39:53compared to like other places they
3:39:54usually charge more than that so i'm
3:39:57looking at this as like you know as a
3:39:59perspective i said
3:40:01300 is very reasonable to me because you
3:40:04can some sometimes it is a non-profit or
3:40:07city co-sponsor item so i said i like
3:40:10this this item so so i would ask that if
3:40:13the council will
3:40:14vote on the uh
3:40:17uh the master feed schedule as
3:40:20described in in the in the report it
3:40:22would be it'll be very happy so
3:40:25with that i will
3:40:27i know i'm gonna stay within my time
3:40:28living so i'll just stop right there and
3:40:32so hopefully you'll you'll take my
3:40:33recommendation into consideration that's
3:40:35it
3:40:37thank you and that was our final speaker
3:40:40do i have a motion to close the
3:40:42publication
3:40:44motion by lyman second by abelson all in
3:40:48favor aye aye those opposed
3:40:51motion carries
3:40:54all right um
3:40:57do we have additional questions from the
3:40:59council
3:41:02i'm willing to make a motion
3:41:04if you're if everyone's done with
3:41:06comments and and questions
3:41:09i'll move a resolution of the city
3:41:11council of the city of el cerrito
3:41:12adopting revisions to the master fee
3:41:14schedule for fiscal year
3:41:172019-2020
3:41:18with the
3:41:20following
3:41:21changes
3:41:22on page 97 of 119
3:41:25in section 2 which is police that the
3:41:28traffic collision report copy be six
3:41:31dollars and that the police photograph
3:41:33audio tape plus fee be 32
3:41:37on pages 111 section roman numeral
3:41:41number 911 miscellaneous that the adu
3:41:45rates be
3:41:46set at 75 percent of full recovery rate
3:41:51on page 115 and 116
3:41:54in
3:41:55building miscellaneous building
3:41:57that we
3:41:59set
3:42:00the
3:42:01we change the units from hourly to each
3:42:04where appropriate
3:42:06that we set the other mechanical
3:42:08inspection rate at
3:42:10148.32 per hour
3:42:12the standalone plumbing plan check at
3:42:15182
3:42:18189.52 per hour
3:42:20the other plumbing and gas inspection
3:42:22rate at 148.32
3:42:24per hour
3:42:26the standalone electrical plan check at
3:42:29189.52 per hour
3:42:31the other electrical inspection at
3:42:34148.32
3:42:37and finally on page 118
3:42:40which is a section 10 new construction
3:42:42validation table
3:42:44for the plan review only table that we
3:42:48change
3:42:49number one
3:42:51uh the row that says one dollar to eight
3:42:54hundred dollar in value
3:42:56and set that at fifty one thirty three
3:42:59that should be zero and and yes that you
3:43:02make you also make the clerical change
3:43:04to the
3:43:07bus zone
3:43:09penalty on
3:43:12page
3:43:1498
3:43:15that the the adjustment
3:43:17reflect the zero that it is and that
3:43:20that feast remain at 440.
3:43:30and i have those written down if you
3:43:31need them
3:43:33you ready for a second
3:43:34second
3:43:36motion by lyman second by abelson
3:43:40all in favor all right
3:43:42those opposed
3:43:43motion carries
3:43:46thank you everyone thank you very much
3:43:48thank you
3:43:56all right next we have policy matters
3:43:59continued from may 7 2019 our regular
3:44:02meeting
3:44:03tenant protections task force and we
3:44:06have
3:44:07staff ready for a further report
3:44:09good evening mayor members of the
3:44:11council of the public my name is isa
3:44:13shuri i'm the housing analyst for the
3:44:15city as you know on may 7th we brought
3:44:18forth a proposal
3:44:20as well as a resolution for your
3:44:21consideration to form a tenant
3:44:23protections task force
3:44:25that same evening we heard public
3:44:27comment however given the time
3:44:29constraints we weren't able
3:44:31to close the loop on that so tonight we
3:44:33would like to have further
3:44:35discussion with you all and direction
3:44:38so with that said um
3:44:40we'd love to hear from you all
3:44:42do we have any questions from the
3:44:44council
3:44:46questions
3:44:50i feel like the questions we have are
3:44:52more of each other
3:44:55right now that we need to just continue
3:44:58the conversation
3:45:00and
3:45:02i'm a little concerned because it's a
3:45:03quarter to 11
3:45:05and
3:45:07i don't know if this is a short item or
3:45:08a long item
3:45:10but if it looks like it's becoming a
3:45:12long item
3:45:14i think that we can finish up do you
3:45:15think we can finish up okay i i can't
3:45:18yeah yeah i am i am certainly too i just
3:45:22can't tell
3:45:23i thought it would i thought it was
3:45:24going to go really fast
3:45:26last time and it
3:45:28became apparent there were some
3:45:30issues so
3:45:32um
3:45:34i think one of the issues was the issue
3:45:37of
3:45:38the sought two sides
3:45:41of the argument
3:45:43you know the the people who are
3:45:45um
3:45:48pro mom and pop and the people on the
3:45:51other side being pro-tenant
3:45:53and um so we were trying to figure out
3:45:56how to resolve that
3:45:58um
3:46:00the um
3:46:02you know the other thing though that we
3:46:03could do is just say leave it that way
3:46:08maybe the
3:46:10it will be up to the people on the task
3:46:12force
3:46:14to convince each other
3:46:17something similar i think they're just
3:46:18two things that i came here tonight with
3:46:21um
3:46:23one was who chooses who's on this and as
3:46:25i think we came to
3:46:26talk last time it's either my view is it
3:46:29should be
3:46:30staff doing it all or we should review
3:46:32all of us should review and not have a
3:46:34subcommittee that i was pretty
3:46:36strong about not having a subcommittee
3:46:38because two of us
3:46:40it's not going to be
3:46:41uh
3:46:42and the last thing is that there was
3:46:43some issue and some public comments
3:46:45about not making it eight but making it
3:46:47either an additional member or having
3:46:49someone with a
3:46:51a home or
3:46:53having some flexible language in there
3:46:55that
3:46:56staff can determine if in fact they want
3:46:58to add one or two people on let that be
3:47:00a staff decision
3:47:02in fact eight and four and four gets too
3:47:04confusing i actually was
3:47:07would lean more than it be a st a uh
3:47:10council
3:47:11the council of a whole like we do
3:47:14everything else
3:47:15um
3:47:16we've had task force before
3:47:19we had a recycling task force and you
3:47:21know these as i remember these things
3:47:23were
3:47:24i mean there were actually multiple
3:47:26versions of that even over time but um
3:47:30you know the council is the one who
3:47:33kicked the people
3:47:35um that's what we're paid the big bucks
3:47:37to do you know
3:47:38um
3:47:40so um
3:47:41the that was the joke of course wow
3:47:46yeah anyway the um some maybe
3:47:49maybe we should just see if
3:47:52everyone well i was leaning towards
3:47:54subcommittee or um
3:47:57i even believe that we could go with the
3:47:59staff
3:48:01alternately we
3:48:02are proposing to use a facilitator
3:48:05mediator so
3:48:06they could play a role in that as well
3:48:08and and bring that to you all for
3:48:10consideration if that is
3:48:13another approach that you wish to
3:48:16think about
3:48:18for selection
3:48:20yeah doing the preliminary screening and
3:48:23bringing the applicants to you after he
3:48:25or she has done that so it would be in
3:48:28essence an outside party yeah and then
3:48:31we'd have a list of people
3:48:33and that would that would narrow it down
3:48:34for the council
3:48:36we would ultimately do the final
3:48:38selection yeah you would ultimately have
3:48:39the final say of course yes okay
3:48:43so so i
3:48:44i think there's two questions tonight
3:48:46one is how it's selected and the other
3:48:48is the makeup of the
3:48:50of the task force and we're currently
3:48:52coming to decision on the selection
3:48:55process
3:48:56of
3:48:57the
3:48:58facilitator doing preliminary interviews
3:49:01of applicants
3:49:03to confirm that they fit into the
3:49:05categories that we hope might identify
3:49:08and then um the full council would
3:49:12interview and select is that that's what
3:49:15i'm hearing is the recommendation
3:49:17of the council
3:49:19okay with regards to the makeup
3:49:21um i did i actually do feel that there
3:49:24was some compelling arguments for
3:49:26um potentially having a
3:49:30non-rental a house non-housing provider
3:49:34non-rent or
3:49:36uh participate i actually thought that
3:49:39that was a fairly compelling argument
3:49:42from the
3:49:44the public last time and and i'm just
3:49:46curious what other people
3:49:48think about the makeup of the group
3:49:50potentially it's um
3:49:53i'm gonna throw this out there it would
3:49:55be
3:49:56three housing providers three renters
3:49:59and three homeowners um so the number
3:50:02doesn't get too wheeledly
3:50:05so we don't go too far above
3:50:07eight
3:50:08but the potential we do get
3:50:10some representation
3:50:12from uh homeowners it could be three
3:50:15housing providers three renters and one
3:50:17homeowner
3:50:18just to just to give some sense of
3:50:21what's there
3:50:22but i'm just i think that the homeowners
3:50:25actually would add a potentially add
3:50:26some value and they don't need to be of
3:50:29equal proportion to the housing
3:50:31providers and the renters but it would
3:50:33be nice to have
3:50:35i just think that they would probably
3:50:37already have about leaning you know the
3:50:39site a sign they lean to could be either
3:50:42side but they would already have a side
3:50:44or why would they have applied
3:50:48right
3:50:49would it be possible to
3:50:52um
3:50:52leave it with a even number then maybe
3:50:55maybe two home owners but just to
3:50:58provide that
3:50:59extra perspective
3:51:02i don't i mean the people
3:51:06the uh the renters are not going to be
3:51:08homeowners
3:51:09but the um
3:51:10[Music]
3:51:14the um
3:51:17what are the other ones called the mom
3:51:19and pop side
3:51:21housing providers housing providers
3:51:22thank you uh are
3:51:24[Music]
3:51:25likely to be homeowners so i i don't
3:51:28really know what
3:51:31i don't see that as
3:51:34being very meaningful
3:51:36in this context
3:51:43because to to
3:51:45i don't think that disinterested people
Finishing the fee schedule, Lyman proposed ADU fees at 75 percent of full recovery, about $400 rather than $551 for the first item; Abelson asked that it not imply reaching full recovery in one year. Cordell Hindler called the $300 facility rental reasonable.
The tenant protection task force was taken up again, the question being how its members would be chosen.
The housing analyst: on 7 May staff proposed the task force, but time ran out before direction was given.
A councilmember's position: selection should be by staff or the whole Council, “not having a subcommittee, because two of us… it's not going to be” representative.
The process agreed: a facilitator conducts “preliminary interviews of applicants to confirm that they fit into the categories,” then the full Council interviews and selects.
Abelson suggested leaving the two sides as they were — “it will be up to the people on the task force to convince each other” — and preferred the full Council choose, as it had for a recycling task force.
On membership, Lyman saw merit in adding homeowners who are neither landlords nor tenants.
Composition was settled next.
The tenant task force is to be screened by a facilitator and chosen by the full Council, not a subcommittee of two members.
22 Four and four captions 6150–6411
3:51:48will be applying to be on this task
3:51:50force
3:51:51there it's a fair assessment that's
3:51:53that's really the correct of it yeah
3:51:56uh i think that they are
3:51:58it's hard enough to get
3:52:00people on
3:52:02boards and commissions and committees
3:52:06i don't think that disinterested people
3:52:08apply
3:52:09i think they apply because they have an
3:52:11interest in the topic
3:52:14um
3:52:15so that that's kind of the basis of what
3:52:17that's about um
3:52:20but i i would
3:52:21personally be up for even
3:52:24you know on each side
3:52:27that is that would be fine
3:52:29i would maybe make it
3:52:31four and four
3:52:33which is staff's recommendation yeah no
3:52:35i agree with staff staff's
3:52:37recommendations
3:52:39so they have to convince each other yep
3:52:41that's fine then
3:52:43uh so hopefully there are people that
3:52:46are open-minded yes
3:52:50okay
3:52:51so if i'm if i can summarize what i hear
3:52:54is we're recommending uh going with
3:52:56staff's recommendation that
3:52:58the um
3:53:00task force be eight representatives four
3:53:03housing providers and four renters
3:53:06do
3:53:07is that consensus
3:53:09because i want to go one i want to go
3:53:10one level great granularity under that
3:53:13do we because there was discussion of
3:53:15and i think it was in the staff report
3:53:17and i
3:53:19that
3:53:19the housing providers potentially
3:53:22represent different
3:53:23scale of housing
3:53:26do we want to have a comparable
3:53:28uh recommendation for the
3:53:31the renters that the renters represent
3:53:34the different scale of if possible
3:53:36housing and what i don't want to make it
3:53:39too restrictive on the renters um
3:53:41[Music]
3:53:43but we do want the housing providers to
3:53:45be
3:53:46uh representative
3:53:48or could it all be large housing
3:53:52well actually are we
3:53:53is
3:53:55the recommendation from staff was to
3:53:57have it to be distributed the the
3:53:58housing um is it just um
3:54:02units over
3:54:04uh properties over five units that are
3:54:06covered by this no no
3:54:08it was
3:54:09a staff's recommendation was to have the
3:54:12housing providers be representative of
3:54:14different size
3:54:16not the right
3:54:19we're um
3:54:21the topic
3:54:23of
3:54:24this is
3:54:26um
3:54:27displacement
3:54:28it's any type of it's all it's all scale
3:54:32of of uh
3:54:34units from single-family home to
3:54:37large large multi-family yeah so i mean
3:54:40the purpose of the
3:54:45[Music]
3:54:48but displacement issues are what's to be
3:54:50discussed right okay so we'll be
3:54:52discussing the collaborations may be
3:54:54coming back on but are these
3:54:55displacements from say
3:54:58um two unit properties
3:55:01so so the task force so the task the
3:55:04proposal for the task force is to
3:55:06examine um a variety of tenant
3:55:08protection tools including
3:55:11the relocation assistance rent review
3:55:13programs
3:55:14made up of a variety of property owner
3:55:17types from single family all the way up
3:55:19to a large multi-family so that we can
3:55:22have an understanding from the property
3:55:24owners and their varying needs based on
3:55:26their portfolio and then of course
3:55:28if we can also have some balance it
3:55:30wouldn't be a requirement per se on the
3:55:32tenant side as well
3:55:34so that they can all come together and
3:55:36study
3:55:37the things we've brought forth to
3:55:40up into this point as well as um just
3:55:42tackling pillar b of our affordable
3:55:44housing strategy which is to reduce the
3:55:47risk of displacement and help stabilize
3:55:49at-risk populations
3:55:52is this is is this is that gonna do that
3:55:55though it just seems like a little bit
3:55:58um
3:56:01is it if this were an academic exercise
3:56:05for example i'm just sort of thinking of
3:56:07it that way it seems like
3:56:10there's just too many variables are
3:56:12there i mean is
3:56:15um
3:56:15[Music]
3:56:17i mean how long are we supposed is this
3:56:18supposed to take no it's definitely a
3:56:20complex topic which i think that's why
3:56:23we all felt it was important to bring
3:56:25both sides to the table and so we would
3:56:27be looking um to have at least three
3:56:29meetings um with the task force um and
3:56:33to have that sunset after six months and
3:56:35what they the purpose of the task force
3:56:37um would be for them to bring back
3:56:39policies for your consideration um it
3:56:42doesn't mean of course that you'll be
3:56:44you'll need to of course adopt them and
3:56:46review them but for them to come up with
3:56:48some consensus ideally okay and and if
3:56:52it's a task force i think it has to it
3:56:54that means it's
3:56:55it has to end within a certain period of
3:56:57time i'm looking at karen we are
3:56:59proposing that are you the expert on
3:57:01that thank you so much we are proposing
3:57:04a six-month sunset we could also revisit
3:57:07that depending on the task force's work
3:57:09but yes the the definition of a task
3:57:11force would be that they have indeed a
3:57:13task that is finite that it wouldn't be
3:57:15an ongoing um
3:57:17border commission so that's why we're
3:57:19recommending six months but again
3:57:22and a minimum of three meetings that's
3:57:23just the minimum they could have more
3:57:25they could go longer it we we were
3:57:27thinking that once we get closer to that
3:57:30we would be able to come back to you
3:57:31perhaps and ask for an extension or if
3:57:33necessary could actually do that propose
3:57:37that the first meeting be a get to know
3:57:39you that's what and no
3:57:42and
3:57:44nothing
3:57:45more than that i mean maybe it's even
3:57:48uh food and they're like seated
3:57:51this may sound a little rich and maybe
3:57:52it's too it is too rigid but if they
3:57:55were seated you know
3:57:56uh
3:57:57side one next to side you know in a
3:57:59circle with
3:58:01everybody seated next to two people from
3:58:04the other side so that they sort of
3:58:05start out with a
3:58:07it's a bonding exercise really and we
3:58:10would
3:58:11and as we've talked we anticipate that
3:58:12that would probably be the focus of the
3:58:15first meeting certainly would be a get
3:58:16to know you and sort of get everyone
3:58:18associated with the topic we're also
3:58:20proposing that we would work with a
3:58:21facilitator so an expert would be able
3:58:23to do
3:58:24something probably something similar to
3:58:25what you said that that would would lead
3:58:28this and we would also seem to me like
3:58:30it would be um
3:58:32a good idea
3:58:33uh maybe i don't think three meetings is
3:58:36enough to be and that may be true and
3:58:38and so if they if they say let's say
3:58:40that they met once a month
3:58:43for six months
3:58:44and the first month
3:58:46was this get to know you exercise
3:58:51that i think will go a long way to make
3:58:53the thing work
3:58:56and
3:58:57and then they have a task
3:58:59for each meeting
3:59:01developed by the facilitator
3:59:04um that that might be a way to have a
3:59:06successful
3:59:07conclusion
3:59:09sure
3:59:11thanks
3:59:12mayor if i may um
3:59:14i'm going to move a resolution actually
3:59:17in reading through the resolution from
3:59:18last month it does not talk about
3:59:21how the task force is developed so
3:59:25that's fine we've given very clear
3:59:27guidance tonight on how we expect the
3:59:29task force to be
3:59:32selected and brought to us
3:59:34therefore i would like to move the
3:59:35resolution of the city council of the
3:59:37city of el cerrito creating the tenant
3:59:39protection task force
3:59:41with one minor change it does say at
3:59:44least three times do you want to
3:59:46increase that to at least five times
3:59:48uh under the
3:59:51no
3:59:52six yeah be it further resolved right
3:59:54now it reads be for the result that this
3:59:56task force shall convene at least three
3:59:57times with a limited duration of six
3:59:59months from appointment of its members
4:00:01to complete its work
4:00:04and i would i would be proposing five
4:00:06times
4:00:07instead of six
4:00:08at least five times five and it could be
4:00:10more
4:00:11oh it'll
4:00:12i i'm
4:00:14so we could i'm wanting to do at least
4:00:16three and come back with an update and
4:00:18because we do have the six months but we
4:00:20would be coming to you and telling you
4:00:22how these things are going of course
4:00:23alongside the media professional
4:00:25facilitator mediator who will be on
4:00:27board at that point um in which case he
4:00:30or she will then
4:00:31be able to let you know how it's going
4:00:34up i would support
4:00:38i'm going to move it as written with it
4:00:41saying convene at least three times you
4:00:43can do four or five with at least three
4:00:45always do more right correct yeah so i'm
4:00:47going to move it as written and
4:00:49presented in our packet last time
4:00:52uh as
4:00:53uh as written
4:00:55that's my motion
4:00:57are there any public speakers on this
4:00:58item they're not okay
4:01:00one minute i know that's why i'm making
4:01:02the motion
4:01:04all right motion by lyman second by
4:01:06quinto all in favor aye aye those
The Council settled the balance of the task force and created it.
The view: “it's hard enough to get people on boards… I don't think disinterested people apply. I think they apply because they have an interest in the topic.”
So the composition: “four and four, which is staff's recommendation” — tenants and housing providers equally — “so they have to convince each other.”
Housing providers would represent different property sizes. The task force would meet at least three times, guided by a facilitator, and sunset after six months.
The resolution creating the task force was adopted as written, on Lyman's motion, seconded by Quinto.
The task force is balanced four housing providers to four tenants “so they have to convince each other.”
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4:01:08opposed motion carries all right do we
4:01:10have any council
4:01:12regional liaison assignment reports
4:01:15i i have one and we have uh 20 seconds
4:01:18i just would like to make sure that my
4:01:20colleagues know that at the next league
4:01:23of cities meeting we are going to have
4:01:25someone from calpers speak so i hope
4:01:27everyone can attend this coming thursday
4:01:29in antioch and mayor if it hasn't been
4:01:31planned already i'd like to
4:01:33adjourn in honor of congresswoman ellen
4:01:36tauscher from contra costa who did so
4:01:38much for our county all right
4:01:41with that we will
4:01:43adjourn our meeting in honor of this
4:01:46assembly member
4:01:47congo i'm sorry congratulations
4:01:49congresswoman ellen tauscher
4:01:52thank you
4:01:53thank you
4:03:53you
Liaison reports were brief.
A councilmember noted that the next League of Cities meeting, in Antioch, would hear from CalPERS, and urged colleagues to attend.
The meeting adjourned in honor of Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher of Contra Costa.
The meeting ran about four hours.
The meeting adjourns in honor of Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher, “who did so much for our county.”